XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns   
   From: matttelles@sprynet.com   
      
   RD Sandman  wrote in   
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   >>>> RD Sandman  wrote in   
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   >>>>>> RD Sandman  wrote in   
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   >>>>>>> "Oglethorpe"  wrote in   
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   >>>>>>>> "Matt"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116...   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>  If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the laws in   
   >>>>>>>>  their   
   >>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a firearm   
   The   
   >>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID is to   
   check   
   >>>> if   
   >>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state.  If  not, then an   
   FFL   
   >>>> (by   
   >>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's home state.   
   >>>> That   
   >>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and ensure   
   that   
   >>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state of   
   residence.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> ===   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we care what   
   >>>>>>>> you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer nutcase who passed the   
   >>>>>>>> NICS. He shot Giffords because she is a blue dogh Democrat and   
   >>>>>>>> isn't left fringer enough to suit him.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical.  He was not a member of the left or of   
   >>>>>>> the right.  Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who tried to   
   >>>>>>> paint   
   >>>> him   
   >>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined by mental   
   >>>> health   
   >>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the Pima   
   College   
   >>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other infractions (none   
   >>>>>>> involving a gun).  His parents did nothing about the letter they   
   >>>>>>> received from the college and neither did the PCSO or TPD   
   although   
   >>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his activities.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you back a law   
   >>>>>> which required you to have a mental health examination by an   
   >>>>>> independent   
   >>>>> group   
   >>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that exam repeated   
   >>>>>> on some reasonable basis?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Nope.  I already back laws that allow you to be involuntarily   
   >>>> committed   
   >>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental   
   impairment.   
   >>>>>  Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT display   
   any   
   >>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot always judge a   
   >>>> book by its cover.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many more folk   
   >>>> out there are going to?   
   >>>   
   >>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE he went   
   off.   
   >>> As did Cho and Lanza.  I assume Holmes did also since he was being   
   >>> seen by a shrink.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read "He was   
   such   
   > a   
   >> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before they go off?   
   >   
   > Not about Loughner you didn't.  His classmates were afraid of him and   
   > some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.   
      
   And he had a gun. Several guns.   
      
   >   
   >> I don't think a mental exam is in any way infringement, and will   
   likely   
   >> catch a lot of these nutcases that slip through "loopholes".   
   >   
   > Let's start with you, Matt. After all, you are innocent aren't you?   
   Of   
   > course, you didn't know how many people were killed by guns in Hawaii.   
   > Your posted claim was one.  Guess what the real number was......   
   >   
   >   
      
   Fine with me, I'm happy to undergo testing when I buy a gun. Now, how   
   about you?   
      
   As for Hawaii, there were 43 from 2005 to 2009. The remainder were   
   suicides, which you say don't count. Of the remaining deaths, some were   
   murder/suicides, which don't count either according to you.   
      
   What's your point again?   
      
   Matt   
      
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