XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns
From: matttelles@sprynet.com
RD Sandman wrote in
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> Matt wrote in
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>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>>>> news:XnsA16DAFF8BD9A9hopewell@216.196.121.131:
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>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16CAC542BDE7hopewell@216.196.121.131:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Oglethorpe" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the laws
>>>>>>>>>>>> in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID is to
>>>> check
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state. If not, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>> FFL
>>>>>>>> (by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's home
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>> that
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state of
>>>> residence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we care
>>>>>>>>>>>> what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer nutcase who
>>>>>>>>>>>> passed the NICS. He shot Giffords because she is a blue
>>>>>>>>>>>> dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer enough to suit him.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical. He was not a member of the left or
>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the right. Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who tried
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> paint
>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined by
>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the Pima
>>>> College
>>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other infractions
>>>>>>>>>>> (none involving a gun). His parents did nothing about the
>>>>>>>>>>> letter they received from the college and neither did the
>>>>>>>>>>> PCSO or TPD
>>>> although
>>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his
>> activities.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you back a
>>>>>>>>>> law which required you to have a mental health examination by
>>>>>>>>>> an independent
>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that exam
>>>>>>>>>> repeated on some reasonable basis?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. I already back laws that allow you to be involuntarily
>>>>>>>> committed
>>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental
>>>> impairment.
>>>>>>>>> Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT
>>>>>>>> display
>>>> any
>>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot always
>>>>>>>> judge
>> a
>>>>>>>> book by its cover.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many more
>>>>>>>> folk out there are going to?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE he went
>>>> off.
>>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza. I assume Holmes did also since he was
>>>>>>> being seen by a shrink.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read "He was
>>>> such
>>>>> a
>>>>>> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before they go
>> off?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not about Loughner you didn't. His classmates were afraid of him
>> and
>>>>> some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.
>>>>
>>>> And he had a gun. Several guns.
>>>
>>> NO, he didn't. He had ONE gun. Bought it, legally, for reasons
>>> explained above, in October, 2010. You should have read them. He
>>> had been kicked off campus for mental issues in August of 2010.
>>> Shooting
>> was
>>> in January 2011.
>>
>> Fine, he had a gun. And he bought it legally. A mental checkup would
>> have stopped this, or would have had him put away where he couldn't
> hurt
>> anyone afterward.
>
> Very likely, but his parents didn't follow up on the letter they
> received from Pima College about his expulsion and that he would not
> be allowed back on camupus until he had been examined by mental health
> professionals and certified to be no danger to himself or others.
> Both PSO and TPD were aware of him, but did nothing. Ergo, no
> exam....no entry into NICS...pass a background check.
>
>>>>>> I don't think a mental exam is in any way infringement, and will
>>>> likely
>>>>>> catch a lot of these nutcases that slip through "loopholes".
>>>>>
>>>>> Let's start with you, Matt. After all, you are innocent aren't
>>>>> you?
>>>> Of
>>>>> course, you didn't know how many people were killed by guns in
>>>>> Hawaii. Your posted claim was one. Guess what the real number
>>>>> was......
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Fine with me, I'm happy to undergo testing when I buy a gun. Now,
>>>> how about you?
>>>
>>> No need for it.
>>
>> Wouldn't that be what all insane people say, though? Not saying you
> are,
>> just saying that you are the worst possible judge of your own sanity
>> (and so am I for mine, for that matter).
>>
>> Why is this such a terrible idea?
>
> Because gun ownership is a right. You folks scream murder over a
> simple photo ID to vote, yet, you expect us to undergo mental exams to
> buy a gun? Get real.
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