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On Thu, 21 Feb 2013 18:45:51 -0800 (PST), Kurt Nicklas
wrote:
>On Feb 21, 8:13 pm, Matt wrote:
>> RD Sandman wrote innews:XnsA1
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>> > Matt wrote in
>> >news:kg5tmv$qq8$1@dont-email.me:
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>> >> RD Sandman wrote in
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>> >>> Matt wrote in
>> >>>news:XnsA16DBCA8FAA31matttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116:
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>> >>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>> >>>>news:XnsA16DAFF8BD9A9hopewell@216.196.121.131:
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>> >>>>> Matt wrote in
>> >>>>>news:XnsA16DA5D904B7Cmatttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116:
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>> >>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>> >>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>> >>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>> >>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>>news:XnsA16CBFCC1AAE4matttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116:
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>> >>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
>> >>>>>>>>>>news:XnsA16CAC542BDE7hopewell@216.196.121.131:
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>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Oglethorpe" wrote in
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt" wrote in message
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116...
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>> If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the laws
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> in their
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a firearm
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>> >>>> The
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID is to
>> >>>> check
>> >>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state. If not, then
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>> >>>> FFL
>> >>>>>>>> (by
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's home
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> state.
>> >>>>>>>> That
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>> >>>> that
>> >>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state of
>> >>>> residence.
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>> ===
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we care
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer nutcase who
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> passed the NICS. He shot Giffords because she is a blue
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer enough to suit him.
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>> >>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical. He was not a member of the left or
>> >> of
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the right. Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who tried
>> >> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> paint
>> >>>>>>>> him
>> >>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.
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>> >>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined by
>> >>>>>>>>>>> mental
>> >>>>>>>> health
>> >>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the Pima
>> >>>> College
>> >>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other infractions
>> >>>>>>>>>>> (none involving a gun). His parents did nothing about the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> letter they received from the college and neither did the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> PCSO or TPD
>> >>>> although
>> >>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his
>> >> activities.
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>> >>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you back a
>> >>>>>>>>>> law which required you to have a mental health examination by
>> >>>>>>>>>> an independent
>> >>>>>>>>> group
>> >>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that exam
>> >>>>>>>>>> repeated on some reasonable basis?
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>> >>>>>>>>> Nope. I already back laws that allow you to be involuntarily
>> >>>>>>>> committed
>> >>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental
>> >>>> impairment.
>> >>>>>>>>> Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.
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>> >>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT
>> >>>>>>>> display
>> >>>> any
>> >>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot always
>> >>>>>>>> judge
>> >> a
>> >>>>>>>> book by its cover.
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>> >>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many more
>> >>>>>>>> folk out there are going to?
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>> >>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE he went
>> >>>> off.
>> >>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza. I assume Holmes did also since he was
>> >>>>>>> being seen by a shrink.
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>> >>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read "He was
>> >>>> such
>> >>>>> a
>> >>>>>> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before they go
>> >> off?
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>> >>>>> Not about Loughner you didn't. His classmates were afraid of him
>> >> and
>> >>>>> some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.
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>> >>>> And he had a gun. Several guns.
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>> >>> NO, he didn't. He had ONE gun. Bought it, legally, for reasons
>> >>> explained above, in October, 2010. You should have read them. He
>> >>> had been kicked off campus for mental issues in August of 2010.
>> >>> Shooting
>> >> was
>> >>> in January 2011.
>>
>> >> Fine, he had a gun. And he bought it legally. A mental checkup would
>> >> have stopped this, or would have had him put away where he couldn't
>> > hurt
>> >> anyone afterward.
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>> > Very likely, but his parents didn't follow up on the letter they
>> > received from Pima College about his expulsion and that he would not
>> > be allowed back on camupus until he had been examined by mental health
>> > professionals and certified to be no danger to himself or others.
>> > Both PSO and TPD were aware of him, but did nothing. Ergo, no
>> > exam....no entry into NICS...pass a background check.
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>> >>>>>> I don't think a mental exam is in any way infringement, and will
>> >>>> likely
>> >>>>>> catch a lot of these nutcases that slip through "loopholes".
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>> >>>>> Let's start with you, Matt. After all, you are innocent aren't
>> >>>>> you?
>> >>>> Of
>> >>>>> course, you didn't know how many people were killed by guns in
>> >>>>> Hawaii. Your posted claim was one. Guess what the real number
>> >>>>> was......
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>> >>>> Fine with me, I'm happy to undergo testing when I buy a gun. Now,
>> >>>> how about you?
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>> >>> No need for it.
>>
>> >> Wouldn't that be what all insane people say, though? Not saying you
>> > are,
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