XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns
From: matttelles@sprynet.com
RD Sandman wrote in
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>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oglethorpe" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@78.46.70.116...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the laws
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state. If not, then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>> FFL
>>>>>>>>>> (by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's home
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state of
>>>>>> residence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer nutcase
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who passed the NICS. He shot Giffords because she is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blue dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer enough to suit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical. He was not a member of the left
>>>>>>>>>>>>> or
>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right. Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> paint
>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the Pima
>>>>>> College
>>>>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other infractions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (none involving a gun). His parents did nothing about the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> letter they received from the college and neither did the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PCSO or TPD
>>>>>> although
>>>>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his
>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you back a
>>>>>>>>>>>> law which required you to have a mental health examination
>>>>>>>>>>>> by an independent
>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that exam
>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated on some reasonable basis?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. I already back laws that allow you to be
>>>>>>>>>>> involuntarily
>>>>>>>>>> committed
>>>>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental
>>>>>> impairment.
>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT
>>>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot always
>>>>>>>>>> judge
>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> book by its cover.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many
>>>>>>>>>> more folk out there are going to?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE he
>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza. I assume Holmes did also since he was
>>>>>>>>> being seen by a shrink.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read "He
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before they go
>>>> off?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not about Loughner you didn't. His classmates were afraid of
>>>>>>> him
>>>> and
>>>>>>> some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And he had a gun. Several guns.
>>>>>
>>>>> NO, he didn't. He had ONE gun. Bought it, legally, for reasons
>>>>> explained above, in October, 2010. You should have read them. He
>>>>> had been kicked off campus for mental issues in August of 2010.
>>>>> Shooting
>>>> was
>>>>> in January 2011.
>>>>
>>>> Fine, he had a gun. And he bought it legally. A mental checkup
>>>> would have stopped this, or would have had him put away where he
>>>> couldn't
>>> hurt
>>>> anyone afterward.
>>>
>>> Very likely, but his parents didn't follow up on the letter they
>>> received from Pima College about his expulsion and that he would
>>> not be allowed back on camupus until he had been examined by mental
>>> health professionals and certified to be no danger to himself or
>>> others. Both PSO and TPD were aware of him, but did nothing. Ergo,
>>> no exam....no entry into NICS...pass a background check.
>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think a mental exam is in any way infringement, and
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>> likely
>>>>>>>> catch a lot of these nutcases that slip through "loopholes".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's start with you, Matt. After all, you are innocent aren't
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>> Of
>>>>>>> course, you didn't know how many people were killed by guns in
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