XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns
From: matttelles@sprynet.com
RD Sandman wrote in
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> Matt wrote in
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>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Oglethorpe" wrote in
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@
78.46.70.116..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state. If not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then an
>>>>>>>> FFL
>>>>>>>>>>>> (by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home state.
>>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state of
>>>>>>>> residence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutcase who passed the NICS. He shot Giffords because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she is a blue dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to suit him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical. He was not a member of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left or
>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right. Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paint
>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental
>>>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pima
>>>>>>>> College
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other infractions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (none involving a gun). His parents did nothing about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the letter they received from the college and neither
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did the PCSO or TPD
>>>>>>>> although
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his
>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a law which required you to have a mental health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examination by an independent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that exam
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated on some reasonable basis?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. I already back laws that allow you to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> involuntarily
>>>>>>>>>>>> committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental
>>>>>>>> impairment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT
>>>>>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot always
>>>>>>>>>>>> judge
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> book by its cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many
>>>>>>>>>>>> more folk out there are going to?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE he
>>>>>>>>>>> went
>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza. I assume Holmes did also since he was
>>>>>>>>>>> being seen by a shrink.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read "He
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before they
>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>> off?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not about Loughner you didn't. His classmates were afraid of
>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And he had a gun. Several guns.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> NO, he didn't. He had ONE gun. Bought it, legally, for reasons
>>>>>>> explained above, in October, 2010. You should have read them.
>>>>>>> He had been kicked off campus for mental issues in August of
>>>>>>> 2010. Shooting
>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> in January 2011.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fine, he had a gun. And he bought it legally. A mental checkup
>>>>>> would have stopped this, or would have had him put away where he
>>>>>> couldn't
>>>>> hurt
>>>>>> anyone afterward.
>>>>>
>>>>> Very likely, but his parents didn't follow up on the letter they
>>>>> received from Pima College about his expulsion and that he would
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