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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@   
   >> 78.46.70.116..   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  laws in their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to   
   >>>>>>>>>> check   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state.  If  not,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then an   
   >>>>>>>>>> FFL   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home state.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure   
   >>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>> residence.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutcase who passed the NICS. He shot Giffords because   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she is a blue dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to suit him.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical.  He was not a member of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left or   
   >>>>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right.  Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried   
   >>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paint   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> him   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined   
   by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mental   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> health   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pima   
   >>>>>>>>>> College   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other   
   infractions   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (none involving a gun).  His parents did nothing about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the letter they received from the college and neither   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did the PCSO or TPD   
   >>>>>>>>>> although   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his   
   >>>>>>>> activities.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you   
   back   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a law which required you to have a mental health   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examination by an independent   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that   
   exam   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repeated on some reasonable basis?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.  I already back laws that allow you to be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involuntarily   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental   
   >>>>>>>>>> impairment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> display   
   >>>>>>>>>> any   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot   
   always   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> judge   
   >>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> book by its cover.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more folk out there are going to?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE   
   he   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> went   
   >>>>>>>>>> off.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza.  I assume Holmes did also since he   
   was   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> being seen by a shrink.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read   
   "He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> was   
   >>>>>>>>>> such   
   >>>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> go   
   >>>>>>>> off?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Not about Loughner you didn't.  His classmates were afraid   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>>> him   
   >>>>>>>> and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> And he had a gun. Several guns.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> NO, he didn't.  He had ONE gun.  Bought it, legally, for   
   reasons   
   >>>>>>>>> explained above, in October, 2010.  You should have read them.   
      
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