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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt" wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@
>> 78.46.70.116..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> laws in their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo ID
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to
>>>>>>>>>> check
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state. If not,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then an
>>>>>>>>>> FFL
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home state.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> residence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutcase who passed the NICS. He shot Giffords because
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she is a blue dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to suit him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical. He was not a member of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left or
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right. Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paint
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by mental
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pima
>>>>>>>>>> College
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infractions (none involving a gun). His parents did
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about the letter they received from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> college and neither did the PCSO or TPD
>>>>>>>>>> although
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his
>>>>>>>> activities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back a law which required you to have a mental health
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examination by an independent
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam repeated on some reasonable basis?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope. I already back laws that allow you to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involuntarily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of mental
>>>>>>>>>> impairment.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do NOT
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always judge
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book by its cover.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How many
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more folk out there are going to?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he went
>>>>>>>>>> off.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza. I assume Holmes did also since he
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being seen by a shrink.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read
>>>>>>>>>>>> "He was
>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> nice young man, never did anyone any harm?" just before
>>>>>>>>>>>> they go
>>>>>>>> off?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not about Loughner you didn't. His classmates were afraid
>>>>>>>>>>> of him
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> some even petitioned to be reassigned to different classes.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And he had a gun. Several guns.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> NO, he didn't. He had ONE gun. Bought it, legally, for
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