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   From: matttelles@sprynet.com   
      
   RD Sandman  wrote in   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> RD Sandman  wrote in   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Matt"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:XnsA16BB13437A9Amatttellessprynetcom@   
   >>>> 78.46.70.116..   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  If someone goes to a surrounding state to avoid   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  laws in their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state of residence, they cannot LEGALLY purchase a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> firearm   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason a dealer asks for a driver's license photo   
   ID   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> check   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the purchaser is a resident of the state.  If   
   not,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> FFL   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> federal law) must be involved from the purchaser's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> home state.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FFL will run a background check on the purchaser   
   and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ensure   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> transaction meets all applicable laws in the state   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> residence.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right. Like Laughner, right?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ===   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You can't even spell his name right. So why should   
   we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> care what you "think"? Loughner is a left fringer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nutcase who passed the NICS. He shot Giffords   
   because   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> she is a blue dogh Democrat and isn't left fringer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough to suit him.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner was apolitical.  He was not a member of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> left or   
   >>>>>>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the right.  Don't be like our local sheriff Dupnik   
   who   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried   
   >>>>>>>>>> to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paint   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as a Tea Partier.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He also passed NICS because he had not been examined   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by mental   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> health   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> professionals although he had been expelled from the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pima   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> College   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campus for scaring his classmates and other   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> infractions (none involving a gun).  His parents did   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing about the letter they received from the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> college and neither did the PCSO or TPD   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> although   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> both departments were aware of him from some of his   
   >>>>>>>>>> activities.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which brings up an interesting point, RD. Would you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back a law which required you to have a mental health   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> examination by an independent   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> group   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before a gun could be sold to you? And to have that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exam repeated on some reasonable basis?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nope.  I already back laws that allow you to be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> involuntarily   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> committed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for observation *IF* you display outward signs of   
   mental   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> impairment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  Loughner, Holmes, Cho and Lanza all did.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet, one of the biggest problems is that most do   
   NOT   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> display   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> any   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sort of outward sign. Or, if you prefer, you cannot   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> always judge   
   >>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> book by its cover.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner, et al, already committed their crimes. How   
   many   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more folk out there are going to?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner displayed many signs of mental imbalance BEFORE   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he went   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> off.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As did Cho and Lanza.  I assume Holmes did also since he   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was being seen by a shrink.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Loughner did. But, really, RD, how many times do you read   
      
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