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   Message 804 of 2,612   
   MarkA to Gray Guest   
   Re: #What's so progressive?   
   04 Mar 13 10:23:07   
   
   XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism   
   From: nobody@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:21:59 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
      
   > MarkA  wrote in   
   > news:pan.2013.03.03.22.53.46.688281@somewhere.invalid:   
   >   
   >> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:21:56 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> MarkA  wrote in   
   >>> news:pan.2013.03.02.21.47.42.104227@somewhere.invalid:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 09:37:11 -0800, Oglethorpe wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> "Don Kresch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>> news:9nb2j8p2gtl1mffv68rlh1d9sfipglohfu@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:45:48 -0500, MarkA    
   >>>>>> scrawled in blood:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:36:18 -0800, JohnJohnsn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 6:30 pm, Kurt Nicklas  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> So just what is so "progressive" about the Left? Seems to me   
   >>>>>>>>> their ideology is aimed at one thing and one thing alone:   
   >>>>>>>>> increasing the power   
   >>>>>>>>> of central government at the expense of personal liberty.   
   > Everything   
   >>>>>>>>> they advocate has that as the motivation and greater government   
   >>>>>>>>> control of our lives as the end.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> So what is so progressive about that? Government control over   
   >>>>>>>>> people's lives has been around for thousands of years. Escaping   
   > that   
   >>>>>>>>> sort of control is why most of us, or our parents or our   
   >>> grandparents   
   >>>>>>>>> or great- grandparents came here to get away from.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Why do "progressives" favor that sort of imperial control over   
   >>>>>>>>> people's lives rather than letting people have the liberty for   
   > which   
   >>>>>>>>> this country   
   >>>>>>>>> was founded?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> What sort of progress does the Left have in mind for us?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Know The Enemy - Communism   
   >>>>>>>> Time for school.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Today boys and girls, we will discuss communism, and why it   
   >>>>>>>> remains   
   >>> as   
   >>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>> greatest threat to humanity.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Communism has been tried.  It failed.  It is no longer a viable   
   >>>>>>>political/economic system.  It is no longer the greatest threat to   
   >>>>>>>anyone. In America, capitalism is a much bigger threat.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> We don't have capitalism. Never have.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Capitalism is in the process of failing,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Prove it. Prove that we have capitalism and that it is failing.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Make sure that when you do, you don't confuse capitalism with   
   >>>>>> mercantilism, cronyism, interventionism, fascism, welfare-warefare   
   >>> state   
   >>>>>> socialism, and other such.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Oh, I know you will anyway; it's just fun to point that out in the   
   >>> first   
   >>>>>> place just so that you know that I know that you'll fail.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> We have capitalism. We'd have more and better were it not for   
   > government   
   >>>>> interference.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Spoken like a true plutocrat.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>> Does the A stand for asshole?   
   >>   
   >> No, it stands for "amused", as in "amused that so many non-wealthy   
   >> Americans think the current capitalist system is serving their   
   > interests."   
   >> Buy any lottery tickets lately?   
   >>   
   >>   
   > No, but then my wife and I work in a technical field and make quite a pile   
   > of money the old fashioned way. We earn it.   
      
   Very nice.  However, the NEW "American Dream" is to make money by ripping   
   off people who earn it.  Just ask any of the Wall Street CEOs who are   
   making multi-million dollar salaries by raiding the pension funds of   
   hard-working wage earners like you and me.   
      
   --   
   MarkA   
   Keeper of Things Put There Only Just The Night Before   
   About eight o'clock   
      
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