XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism   
   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "MarkA"  wrote in message   
   news:pan.2013.03.05.13.13.31.590175@nowhere.invalid...   
   > On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 00:06:58 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
   >   
   >> MarkA  wrote in   
   >> news:pan.2013.03.04.15.23.03.255479 @nowhere.invalid:   
   >>   
   >>> On Mon, 04 Mar 2013 02:21:59 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> MarkA  wrote in   
   >>>> news:pan.2013.03.03.22.53.46.688281@somewhere.invalid:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2013 17:21:56 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> MarkA  wrote in   
   >>>>>> news:pan.2013.03.02.21.47.42.104227@somewhere.invalid:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 02 Mar 2013 09:37:11 -0800, Oglethorpe wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> "Don Kresch"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>> news:9nb2j8p2gtl1mffv68rlh1d9sfipglohfu@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 01 Mar 2013 08:45:48 -0500, MarkA    
   >>>>>>>>> scrawled in blood:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 24 Feb 2013 16:36:18 -0800, JohnJohnsn wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 6:30 pm, Kurt Nicklas  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> So just what is so "progressive" about the Left? Seems to me   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their ideology is aimed at one thing and one thing alone:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> increasing the power   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of central government at the expense of personal liberty.   
   >>>> Everything   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> they advocate has that as the motivation and greater government   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> control of our lives as the end.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> So what is so progressive about that? Government control over   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> people's lives has been around for thousands of years. Escaping   
   >>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> sort of control is why most of us, or our parents or our   
   >>>>>> grandparents   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> or great- grandparents came here to get away from.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Why do "progressives" favor that sort of imperial control over   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> people's lives rather than letting people have the liberty for   
   >>>> which   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> this country   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> was founded?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> What sort of progress does the Left have in mind for us?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Know The Enemy - Communism   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Time for school.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Today boys and girls, we will discuss communism, and why it   
   >>>>>>>>>>> remains   
   >>>>>> as   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>> greatest threat to humanity.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Communism has been tried.  It failed.  It is no longer a viable   
   >>>>>>>>>>political/economic system.  It is no longer the greatest threat to   
   >>>>>>>>>>anyone. In America, capitalism is a much bigger threat.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> We don't have capitalism. Never have.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>Capitalism is in the process of failing,   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Prove it. Prove that we have capitalism and that it is failing.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Make sure that when you do, you don't confuse capitalism with   
   >>>>>>>>> mercantilism, cronyism, interventionism, fascism, welfare-warefare   
   >>>>>> state   
   >>>>>>>>> socialism, and other such.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Oh, I know you will anyway; it's just fun to point that out in the   
   >>>>>> first   
   >>>>>>>>> place just so that you know that I know that you'll fail.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> We have capitalism. We'd have more and better were it not for   
   >>>> government   
   >>>>>>>> interference.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Spoken like a true plutocrat.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Does the A stand for asshole?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, it stands for "amused", as in "amused that so many non-wealthy   
   >>>>> Americans think the current capitalist system is serving their   
   >>>> interests."   
   >>>>> Buy any lottery tickets lately?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>> No, but then my wife and I work in a technical field and make quite a   
   >> pile   
   >>>> of money the old fashioned way. We earn it.   
   >>>   
   >>> Very nice.  However, the NEW "American Dream" is to make money by   
   >>> ripping off people who earn it.  Just ask any of the Wall Street CEOs   
   >>> who are making multi-million dollar salaries by raiding the pension   
   >>> funds of hard-working wage earners like you and me.   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >> So? Advocate ti havbe them killed. I won't stop you.   
   >>   
   >> But you won't. Becuase they are paying off your hero.   
   >>   
   >> But more to the point, it isn't me doing it yet everyth8ng you propose   
   >> results in punishment for me and otehr honest hard working people.   
   >   
   > How is having a government that serves the needs of 99% instead of 1%   
   > "punishment"?  Do you actually believe that bullshit about taxes cause   
   > unemployment?  Taxes on business are at an all-time low, yet unemployment   
   > remains high.   
      
   Please recalculate giving consideration to ALL government caused expenses,   
   not just direct taxation, but OSHA compliances, EPA compliances, Labor   
   reports, and so on and then show us that the government imposed costs on   
   business are at an all time low.   
      
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