XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism   
   From: nobody@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:35:15 -0500, Scout wrote:   
      
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   > "MarkA"  wrote in message   
   > news:pan.2013.03.06.17.26.55.289600@somewhere.invalid...   
   >> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:41:55 -0500, Scout wrote:   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> We have capitalism. We'd have more and better were it not for   
   >>>>>>> government   
   >>>>>>>>>>> interference.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Spoken like a true plutocrat.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Does the A stand for asshole?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No, it stands for "amused", as in "amused that so many non-wealthy   
   >>>>>>>> Americans think the current capitalist system is serving their   
   >>>>>>> interests."   
   >>>>>>>> Buy any lottery tickets lately?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No, but then my wife and I work in a technical field and make quite   
   >>>>>>> a   
   >>>>> pile   
   >>>>>>> of money the old fashioned way. We earn it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Very nice.  However, the NEW "American Dream" is to make money by   
   >>>>>> ripping off people who earn it.  Just ask any of the Wall Street   
   >>>>>> CEOs who are making multi-million dollar salaries by raiding the   
   >>>>>> pension funds of hard-working wage earners like you and me.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> So? Advocate ti havbe them killed. I won't stop you.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But you won't. Becuase they are paying off your hero.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But more to the point, it isn't me doing it yet everyth8ng you   
   >>>>> propose results in punishment for me and otehr honest hard working   
   >>>>> people.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> How is having a government that serves the needs of 99% instead of 1%   
   >>>> "punishment"?  Do you actually believe that bullshit about taxes cause   
   >>>> unemployment?  Taxes on business are at an all-time low, yet   
   >>>> unemployment   
   >>>> remains high.   
   >>>   
   >>> Please recalculate giving consideration to ALL government caused   
   >>> expenses,   
   >>> not just direct taxation, but OSHA compliances, EPA compliances, Labor   
   >>> reports, and so on and then show us that the government imposed costs   
   >>> on business are at an all time low.   
   >>   
   >> None of those expenses on business came into existence in the last 10   
   >> years.   
   >   
   > Really? Government regulation hasn't changed at all in the last 10 years?   
   >   
   > I'll call bullshit on that claim because I know damn well OSHA regulations   
   > have and who knows what else has changed as well.   
   >   
   > Oh, and I believe the yardstick was "all-time" which means it includes the   
   > ENTIRE history of the US.....not just the last 10 years.   
   >   
   > So I note your lie and I note your attempt to change the conditions set.   
      
   No, my original point was that the GOP claims that raising taxes on   
   businesses "kills jobs".  That would imply that NOT raising taxes on   
   businesses promotes hiring.  Taxes are currently low, so, hiring should   
   be high.  You made the (perfectly valid, btw) point that government   
   imposes other costs on businesses, such as OSHA, EPA, etc, and these costs   
   also have to be considered.   
      
   My rebuttal was that the cost of complying with regulations has not   
   changed significantly within the last 10 years.  I picked 10 years because   
   the current economic down turn began, conveniently enough, just as GW was   
   leaving office, about 5 years ago, and the sluggish economy is a criticism   
   of Obama's administration.   
      
   I own a small business, and the only major change in costs in the last   
   decade is the passage of Obamacare, which won't really effect me, as we   
   are small enough to be exempt from the requirement of providing health   
   insurance to our employees.  In any case, those expenses have not kicked   
   in yet.  I don't know of anything new with OSHA, but that might vary   
   depending on the nature of the business.   
      
   In any case, business needs a healthy social, physical, and political   
   environment in which to thrive.  Raising taxes to improve the welfare of   
   those who will work for a company as well as those who will buy their   
   product is a worthwhile investment.  Yes, it increases costs in the short   
   term, but should improve profitability in the longer term.  So, I think   
   the GOP is wrong in their insistence that taxes on businesses and   
   individuals must not be raised under any circumstances.   
      
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   MarkA   
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