XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism   
   From: nobody@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On Thu, 07 Mar 2013 18:05:39 -0500, Scout wrote:   
      
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   > "MarkA"  wrote in message   
   > news:pan.2013.03.07.15.27.50.820390@nowhere.invalid...   
   >> On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 18:35:15 -0500, Scout wrote:   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> "MarkA"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:pan.2013.03.06.17.26.55.289600@somewhere.invalid...   
   >>>> On Tue, 05 Mar 2013 18:41:55 -0500, Scout wrote:   
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   >>>>>   
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   >>>>>>>>>>>>> We have capitalism. We'd have more and better were it not for   
   >>>>>>>>> government   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> interference.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Spoken like a true plutocrat.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Does the A stand for asshole?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> No, it stands for "amused", as in "amused that so many   
   >>>>>>>>>> non-wealthy Americans think the current capitalist system is   
   >>>>>>>>>> serving their   
   >>>>>>>>> interests."   
   >>>>>>>>>> Buy any lottery tickets lately?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> No, but then my wife and I work in a technical field and make   
   >>>>>>>>> quite a   
   >>>>>>> pile   
   >>>>>>>>> of money the old fashioned way. We earn it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Very nice.  However, the NEW "American Dream" is to make money by   
   >>>>>>>> ripping off people who earn it.  Just ask any of the Wall Street   
   >>>>>>>> CEOs who are making multi-million dollar salaries by raiding the   
   >>>>>>>> pension funds of hard-working wage earners like you and me.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So? Advocate ti havbe them killed. I won't stop you.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But you won't. Becuase they are paying off your hero.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> But more to the point, it isn't me doing it yet everyth8ng you   
   >>>>>>> propose results in punishment for me and otehr honest hard working   
   >>>>>>> people.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> How is having a government that serves the needs of 99% instead of   
   >>>>>> 1% "punishment"?  Do you actually believe that bullshit about taxes   
   >>>>>> cause unemployment?  Taxes on business are at an all-time low, yet   
   >>>>>> unemployment   
   >>>>>> remains high.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Please recalculate giving consideration to ALL government caused   
   >>>>> expenses,   
   >>>>> not just direct taxation, but OSHA compliances, EPA compliances,   
   >>>>> Labor reports, and so on and then show us that the government imposed   
   >>>>> costs on business are at an all time low.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> None of those expenses on business came into existence in the last 10   
   >>>> years.   
   >>>   
   >>> Really? Government regulation hasn't changed at all in the last 10   
   >>> years?   
   >>>   
   >>> I'll call bullshit on that claim because I know damn well OSHA   
   >>> regulations   
   >>> have and who knows what else has changed as well.   
   >>>   
   >>> Oh, and I believe the yardstick was "all-time" which means it includes   
   >>> the   
   >>> ENTIRE history of the US.....not just the last 10 years.   
   >>>   
   >>> So I note your lie and I note your attempt to change the conditions   
   >>> set.   
   >>   
   >> No, my original point was that the GOP claims that raising taxes on   
   >> businesses "kills jobs".   
   >   
   > That's certainly part of it. Right now it's Obamacare that is killing jobs   
   > and cutting hours.   
   >   
   > Oh, but then didn't Obama's administration claim in court that it's a tax?   
      
   No, that was a call made by the SCOTUS.  Obama called it a penalty.   
   SCOTUS ruled that Congress didn't have the authority to impose penalties,   
   but it was functionally a tax, and hence, within Congress's authority.   
      
   >   
   > I will simply note it's not just taxes, nor regulatory overhead, or   
   > whatever but a package deal. If you cut taxes by 10% but increase   
   > regulatory overhead by 20% the net result is a 10% increase in   
   > government expense to the company which means higher costs and the need   
   > to figure out some way to either cut other expenses and/or increase   
   > revenue to cover that expense.   
   >   
   > Marginal jobs are clearly among the first things considered to cut   
   > expenses.   
      
   True, as far as it goes, but the real world is infinitely more complex.   
   For example, if you restrict a company from polluting the air and water,   
   you increase their cost of producing their product.  However, by having a   
   cleaner environment, their workers will be healthier, so their labor costs   
   will decrease.  How much one savings offsets another expense is impossible   
   to determine, because so many factors are involved.  However, people LOVE   
   to create scenarios, as I just did, to justify their ideology.   
      
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