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   From: me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net   
      
   "MarkA"  wrote in message   
   news:pan.2013.03.09.02.19.34.203748@somewhere.invalid...   
   > On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:15:49 -0600, Don Kresch wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:02:00 -0500, MarkA    
   >> scrawled in blood:   
   >>   
   >>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:07:53 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> MarkA  wrote in   
   >>>> news:pan.2013.03.07.15.27.50.820390 @nowhere.invalid:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> No, my original point was that the GOP claims that raising taxes on   
   >>>>> businesses "kills jobs".   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yeah, stealing money from the private sector to waste on worthless   
   >>>> liberal   
   >>>> causes is wasteful.   
   >>>   
   >>>Very true.  But, levying fair taxes on businesses and individuals to   
   >>>provide services that "promote the general welfare" is a worthwhile   
   >>>investment   
   >>   
   >> To whom? And what about that money being better spent on what   
   >> those people wanted in the first place, rather than having it stolen?   
   >>   
   >>>, and an appropriate role of government.   
   >>   
   >> There's no such thing.   
   >>   
   >   
   > Right, because people in large groups naturally take care of each other,   
   > right?   
      
   Yet, it's not the place of government to do so.   
      
   “…[T]he government of the United States is a definite government, confined   
   to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are   
   more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.”   
    -James Madison   
      
   “To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his   
   fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose   
   fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate   
   arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone   
   the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”   
    -Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816   
      
   “A wise and frugal government … shall restrain men from injuring one   
   another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of   
   industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the   
   bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government.”   
    -Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address, March 4, 1801   
      
   In 1794, when Congress appropriated $15,000 for relief of French refugees   
   who fled from insurrection in San Domingo to Baltimore and Philadelphia,   
   James Madison stood on the floor of the House to object saying, “I cannot   
   undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted   
   a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of   
   their constituents.”   
    -James Madison, 4 Annals of congress 179 (1794)   
      
   James Madison, the Father of the Constitution, elaborated upon this   
   limitation in a letter to James Robertson:   
    “With respect to the two words ‘general welfare,’ I have always regarded   
   them as qualified by the detail of powers connected with them. To take them   
   in a literal and unlimited sense would be a metamorphosis of the   
   Constitution into a character which there is a host of proofs was not   
   contemplated by its creators.”   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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