XPost: alt.society.liberalism, talk.politics.guns, alt.atheism   
   From: nobody@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 22:09:09 -0500, SaPeIsMa wrote:   
      
   > "Don Kresch"  wrote in message   
   > news:jbosj8h4f3ugvnaq3gck413s3urbdvdcrf@4ax.com...   
   >> On Mon, 11 Mar 2013 12:46:41 -0500, "SaPeIsMa"    
   >> scrawled in blood:   
   >>   
   >>>"Don Kresch"  wrote in message   
   >>>news:dqfmj8tikm4cc90l6bpg7v04gnu0jm0o0o@4ax.com...   
   >>>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:20:05 -0500, MarkA    
   >>>> scrawled in blood:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 19:15:49 -0600, Don Kresch wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 10:02:00 -0500, MarkA    
   >>>>>> scrawled in blood:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>On Fri, 08 Mar 2013 02:07:53 +0000, Gray Guest wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> MarkA  wrote in   
   >>>>>>>> news:pan.2013.03.07.15.27.50.820390 @nowhere.invalid:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> No, my original point was that the GOP claims that raising taxes   
   >>>>>>>>> on businesses "kills jobs".   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Yeah, stealing money from the private sector to waste on worthless   
   >>>>>>>> liberal   
   >>>>>>>> causes is wasteful.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>Very true.  But, levying fair taxes on businesses and individuals to   
   >>>>>>>provide services that "promote the general welfare" is a worthwhile   
   >>>>>>>investment   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> To whom? And what about that money being better spent on what those   
   >>>>>> people wanted in the first place, rather than having it stolen?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>, and an appropriate role of government.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There's no such thing.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>Right, because people in large groups naturally take care of each   
   >>>>>other,   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Yeah, they do.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are clueless, Marky. And you have the same dismal view of humans   
   >>>> as the christians do.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>Actually, most Christians spend both time and money helping each other.   
   >>   
   >> Actually, most christians view humanity as fallen and sinful, fit only   
   >> for hell were it not for the grace of god. This is what I was referring   
   >> to: the dismal view of humans as low.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >   
   > You  really have NO CLUE !   
      
   No, part of Christian doctrine is that all humans are suffering the   
   consequences of Original Sin.  If you don't accept that, there is no need   
   for Jesus to come and redeem us.  If there's no need for Jesus, it's not   
   Christianity.   
      
   Don has some strange ideas, but on this point he is correct.   
      
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   >>>One of the reasons why they have been able to create wealth over time..   
   >>>   
   >>>Socialists have nothing but a history of squandering and destroying   
   >>>wealth in all of their attempts at imposing their way of doing things.   
   >>   
   >> Christianity is socialistic.   
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   >    
   > And you're just stupid and ignorant and a waste of time.   
   >     Why don't youcome back when you've smartened up..   
      
   On this point, I agree with you.  Christianity does advocate socialism,   
   which makes it so puzzling that the politicians who most loudly proclaim   
   their piety are the ones who say that "socialism" is a dirty word.   
      
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