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   From: kurtnicklas@gmail.com   
      
   On May 9, 11:25 am, Dreamer In Colore    
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   > On Wed, 8 May 2013 19:18:03 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas   
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   > >On May 8, 3:29 pm, Dreamer In Colore    
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   > >> On Wed, 8 May 2013 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT), Kurt Nicklas   
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   > >> >On May 8, 3:02 pm, raven1  wrote:   
   > >> >> On Wed, 08 May 2013 14:00:03 -0400, Calvin Ramsey   
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   > >> >>  wrote:   
   > >> >> >To reject God's existence is to commit oneself to intellectual and   
   moral   
   > >> >> >isolation, which inevitably brings mental pessimism, emotional   
   despair,   
   > >> >> >and an encompassing sense of hopelessness.   
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   > >> >> In other words, the author would rather believe in a pleasant fantasy   
   > >> >> than deal with an uncomfortable (for him) truth. Thanks for clearing   
   > >> >> that up, Cal, it nicely illustrates his (and your) intellectual   
   > >> >> dishonesty and moral bankruptcy.   
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   > >> >Richard, when you encounter loneliness, isolation, failure, sickness   
   > >> >and pain what pleasant fantasy sustains you?   
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   > >> Just to hazard a guess... friends, family, a great meal, a good book,   
   > >> medicine, and the knowledge that people are working towards progress   
   > >> rather than belief in a sky pixie?   
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   > >In other words, your fantasy is that all the things missing will be   
   > >magically provided   
   > >to you and you will sail away into bliss.   
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   > >Thank you for your contribution.   
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   > What fantasy? I have friends, family... I make extraordinary meals, a   
   > library that would make a small bookstore blush, access to any kind of   
   > medicine I need, and absolute comfort in real life.   
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   > When I'm not feeling good... I just have to think about those things,   
   > and then reach out for them to obtain them. There's no need to hope   
   > that maybe an insubstantial, immaterial, and immanent supernatural sky   
   > pixie might listen...   
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   > It's disingenuous of you to interpret what I said into something   
   > twisted and surreal... it undermines the credibility of anything else   
   > you have to say.   
      
   It's very clear in what I said that by "isolation" I meant without   
   friends, pain in spite of medication, failure without hope and   
   incurable sickness.  If you believe you live in a worldly paradise in   
   which there's always a friend at your beck and call, always a cure,   
   always success just around the corner then THAT is the fantasy you   
   live in.   
      
   On the other hand, if you believe you will never, ever experience any   
   of these calamities then you have no use for religion. Unfortunately,   
   I would say you also do not live in the real world.   
      
   I used to be an atheist for many years. Then I grew up.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)