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   From: ookie@my-deja.com   
      
   On Sun, 14 Sep 2003 12:03:33 +0100, "Graybags"    
   wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Ronald Cole"  wrote in message   
   >news:m3d6e3q5oa.fsf@yakisoba.forte-intl.com...   
   >> Matt Griffin  writes:   
   >> > a 12 year old shoplifter is still a shoplifter.   
   >>   
   >> How do you explain the difference to a child between recording and   
   >> listening to music on a radio and recording and listening to music on   
   >> a computer?   
   >   
   >Stealing is stealing. However, the odd song recorded from the radio is...   
   >1. Not copying thousands of files and sharing them (possibly for commercial   
   >gain)   
   >2. Untraceable.   
   >   
   >Taking a pound from your mum's bedside table is wrong, but robbing a bank   
   >waving a gun around is the one that's likely to land you in deep do-do.   
   >   
   >See the difference, now? It's called scale.   
   >   
      
   But it is not stealing. Stealing is when you deprive someone of their   
   property without their permission.  If I take a picture of the "Mona   
   Lisa" I have not stolen it. If it was in a Xerox machine and I pressed   
   the "copy" button and did not touch the original I have not stolen it.   
   I have a copy. A poor one at that.   
      
   When you record a movie off of HBO or tape a song from the radio, it   
   is not stealing, Neither is it stealing if you download an .mp3.  You   
   merely have a poor copy of the original.  These asshats at the RIAA   
   and BMI and the like need to get a grip. They acted like this when   
   cassettes and vcr's were introduced. They got over it then and I think   
   if they can get over it now they may be able to find the real cause of   
   slumping cd sales. Which is that the music they are putting out now   
   sucks. It sucks bad. Right now there isn't even ONE BAND on the radio   
   now that is even as good as KaJa GooGoo was. And they weren't that   
   great. File swapping is nothing but the recording industry's way of   
   assigning blame to someone that won't get fired. "Really, I don't suck   
   at my job finding new talent. I found good bands. It's these damn   
   downloaders. That is why music is not selling. Yeah, that's the   
   ticket"   
      
    Oh, and to Matt Griffin, if your music doesn't suck, then why not   
   have people download it? I never heard of you. No one I know has heard   
   of you. They way to get people to pay $40 a ticket to hear your music   
   is by getting millions to know your music. That is where the money is.   
   No one can "steal" a live performance. I would think that massive   
   trading of your music could do nothing but help you. Before Napster I   
   had never heard of "Lords of Acid" or "Johhny Rebel". But now I know   
   who they are and would pay good money to see them play. I would   
   probably buy the cd's if they were available. That is how it works in   
   the "new system". You make music. People either hear it on the radio,   
   see it on mtv, or download it. You go on tour. You play your music.   
   You make millions. Notice I said nothing about selling cd's. Cd's are   
   promotional items. They induce concert attendance. Some people have   
   chosen to make their livings off of selling these cd's. They are   
   choosing the wrong cd's and hurting innocent people with law suits.   
   They will be out of business because of it. Don't sit around and whine   
   about not making money and blaming it on Kazaa. If you rock, let the   
   word out. Play a few gigs. But swapping is not stealing and the RIAA   
   SUCKS.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)