From: michael.trew@att.net   
      
   On 12/1/2021 10:45, Howard wrote:   
   > Boron Elgar  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 15:10:39 -0000 (UTC), Howard   
   >   
   >>> Complicated voucher programs with means testing and verification and   
   >>> all   
   >>> of that overhead don't fix problems and only keep people from things   
   >>> like health care, education and housing. They make the programs so   
   >>> expensive that people want to shut them down because of the overhead   
   >>> costs per recipient. It's like opening every bag of Doritos in a store   
   >>> to find the broken chips, breaking more chips in the process, and then   
   >>> banning Doritos from a store because all of the bags are open.   
   >>   
   >> Huzzah!   
   >   
   > Reporting on these issues drives me crazy because there is so much   
   > ridiculous framing that goes on which includes certain things and   
   > excludes others.   
   ...   
   > I'm fine with both things. But the moral panic over a portion of lower   
   > income beneficiaries using drugs is fanned to a red hot level by   
   > propogandists.   
      
   I hear what you are saying, and perhaps my view point is small as it   
   pertains to the poor mid-western/rust belt region that I live in.  That   
   being said, I'd be interested to know if tests have been done before,   
   what the numbers compare to in other regions.  I purposely try to avoid   
   these types of people, but there are so many of them near me, that they   
   are difficult to completely avoid.   
      
   Basically, you are posting from a very generalized national perspective,   
   but I see a VERY different thing to what you are saying where I live.   
   Well over 3/4 of the people that I know that take benefits abuse them,   
   don't need them, and could easily work.  Many work side gigs and don't   
   report that income.  I know for a fact that roughly a third of them do   
   drugs.  No, not pot, I'm talking about cocaine, etc.   
      
   Also, my point is a lot more involved than "lower income beneficiaries   
   using drugs", and my outlook is not related to any kind of propaganda,   
   it's what I experience in person.  My concern is actually less with   
   these people buying drugs, and more with these people being bottle-fed;   
   people who could easily work, but chose not to.  No, not propaganda;   
   again, personal experiences.  Many of them admit it and don't care; they   
   take the benefits, because they are easy for them to obtain.   
      
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