From: boron_elgar@hotmail.com   
      
   On Wed, 01 Dec 2021 10:59:05 -0500, Michael Trew   
    wrote:   
      
   >On 12/1/2021 10:45, Howard wrote:   
   >> Boron Elgar  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2021 15:10:39 -0000 (UTC), Howard   
   >>   
   >>>> Complicated voucher programs with means testing and verification and   
   >>>> all   
   >>>> of that overhead don't fix problems and only keep people from things   
   >>>> like health care, education and housing. They make the programs so   
   >>>> expensive that people want to shut them down because of the overhead   
   >>>> costs per recipient. It's like opening every bag of Doritos in a store   
   >>>> to find the broken chips, breaking more chips in the process, and then   
   >>>> banning Doritos from a store because all of the bags are open.   
   >>>   
   >>> Huzzah!   
   >>   
   >> Reporting on these issues drives me crazy because there is so much   
   >> ridiculous framing that goes on which includes certain things and   
   >> excludes others.   
   >...   
   >> I'm fine with both things. But the moral panic over a portion of lower   
   >> income beneficiaries using drugs is fanned to a red hot level by   
   >> propogandists.   
   >   
   >I hear what you are saying, and perhaps my view point is small as it   
   >pertains to the poor mid-western/rust belt region that I live in.  That   
   >being said, I'd be interested to know if tests have been done before,   
   >what the numbers compare to in other regions.  I purposely try to avoid   
   >these types of people, but there are so many of them near me, that they   
   >are difficult to completely avoid.   
   >   
   >Basically, you are posting from a very generalized national perspective,   
   >but I see a VERY different thing to what you are saying where I live.   
   >Well over 3/4 of the people that I know that take benefits abuse them,   
   >don't need them, and could easily work.  Many work side gigs and don't   
   >report that income.  I know for a fact that roughly a third of them do   
   >drugs.  No, not pot, I'm talking about cocaine, etc.   
   >   
   >Also, my point is a lot more involved than "lower income beneficiaries   
   >using drugs", and my outlook is not related to any kind of propaganda,   
   >it's what I experience in person.  My concern is actually less with   
   >these people buying drugs, and more with these people being bottle-fed;   
   >people who could easily work, but chose not to.  No, not propaganda;   
   >again, personal experiences.  Many of them admit it and don't care; they   
   >take the benefits, because they are easy for them to obtain.   
      
   You are too big an asshole to live.   
      
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