On Wednesday, November 15, 2023 at 1:13:50 PM UTC-8, Boron Elgar wrote:   
   > On Wed, 19 Apr 2023 00:33:03 -0700, Snidely     
   > wrote:   
   > >This is for our current crop of sports fans, both of us. And as such,    
   > >this is about when a game/match/meet is won, under what conditions do    
   > >you consider it an upset?    
   > >    
   > >This question began bugging me during the recent NCAA basketball    
   > >tournament. Firvethirtyeight.com, for instance, in that context    
   > >considered it an upset anytime a lower-seeded team beat a higher-seeded    
   > >team. Would you consider a #5 seed beating a #4 seed an upset? What    
   > >about a #6 team beating a #4 team or a #5 seed beating #3?    
   > >    
   > >[Note: the actual tourney had some clear upsets in the first and    
   > >second round]    
   > >    
   > >In college football, there's the national ranking for FBS-elgigble    
   > >teams, and it's clear that an unranked team (that is, from outside the    
   > >Top 25) beating a ranked team is generally an upset. But within the    
   > >T25, how much separation in rank is needed to score an upset?    
   > >    
   > >There are also less official rankings, like KenPom for college    
   > >basketball that can be used. How much delta-rank is needed for an    
   > >upset based on your favorite rankings?    
   > >    
   > >For the usual North American pro sports, we can use each leagues    
   > >standings to judge upsets. These are mainly based on win/loss (and    
   > >sometimes tie) records, and I usually just eyeball those. For    
   > >instance, in the NHL the Jets beat the Golden Knights, and their record    
   > >is now 46-33-3 and the GKs are at 51-22-9. Is that enough of a    
   > >difference to count as an upset for you? I'm inclined to waffle with    
   > >"minor upset", but if the 46 was 48, I think that would be too close    
   > >for shock or surprise at the result.    
   > >    
   > >Pro Tennis and Pro Golf have rankings maintained by their    
   > >organizations. Would Petra Kvitova beating Coco Gauff be an upset?    
   > >Coco Grauff beating Jesic Pegula? Matt Fitzpatrick over Patrick    
   > >Cantlay? Patrick Cantlay over Scottie Scheffler?    
   > >    
   > >And of course, some AFCAns can comment of what's an upset in English    
   > >Premier League or n the Dutch Eredvisie.    
      
   I don't ever get to see Eredivisie games on Canadian TV, but sports    
   channels here do show some Premier League and Bundesliga games. With   
   the latter, I get to see Alphonso Davies play. He's a Canadian who plays for   
   Bayern Munich, the New York Yankees of European soccer.   
      
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