From: bilh@pd.jaring.my   
      
   On Tuesday, August 16, 2016 at 4:08:37 AM UTC, Ron Moses wrote:   
   > On Sunday, August 14, 2016 at 11:09:50 PM UTC-4, Bil wrote:   
      
   > Well shit, I was convinced you'd made that whole thing up! It was really   
   quite impressive in that context; I'd chalked it up as one of the more   
   entertaining Bil posts. Now...I don't know, I'm almost disappointed. :)   
      
   Sorry Ron sorry   
   Better try it again   
      
   Dong work for yuda   
   Dong dong   
   Sorry Ron sorry   
   Better try it again   
      
   Guessing here but ...   
      
   * remember how FZ reported that as a child he ran a puppet theatre for his   
   own amusement and for an audience of other children;   
      
   * I'll bet someone supplied him or he supplied himself with playscripts, such   
   as from "Plays: the drama magazine for young people";   
      
   * and he would have had a preference for plays with a small number of   
   characters, especially plays that only had two hands on stage at any one time;   
      
   * FZ would have rehearsed the plays and staged his favorites multiple   
   times (no different from his behavior as an adult running a band?);   
      
   * certain lines (e.g. 'eat my starch') caught his fancy and became   
   part of his thinking/repertoire even away from the puppet stage;   
      
   * 'Plays: the drama magazine for young people' Vol 6 No 1 (1946)   
   looks like the source of 'eat my starch';   
      
      
   * I further suspect that a close examination of 'Plays' might show   
   other lines and situations that were part of FZ's repertoire and repartee;   
      
   * including themes and lines that we have thought came from other sources   
   (such as European high art music, e.g. Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain);   
      
   - this could be a heresy to the accepted history: For instance, did FZ listen   
   to Mussorgsky's Night on Bald Mountain and then reuse the setting for the   
   Biker and Chrissy's encounter with the Devil on the Mountain of Mystery (as   
   recorded in 'Titties and    
   Beer'); or did someone write a playscript for young people based on the   
   Russian folk tale of a witches' sabbath on St John's Eve, which the young FZ   
   played out as in his puppet theatre, and then FZ either sought out Mussorgsky   
   or when he came across    
   Mussorsky he had a moment of deja vu?   
      
   * if we were to trawl through the scripts in the 1946 - 47 volumes of "Plays:   
   the drama magazine for young people" would we find:   
      
   - a version of Rapunzel?   
      
   : for sure, for sure!   
      
   * a better test of the hypothesis would be if the 1946 - 47 volumes of "Plays"   
   contains sources for:   
      
   - the story of Billy the Mountain and Ethel;   
      
   - the story of Nanook the Eskimo (we know about the 1922 Hollywood production   
   'Nanook of the North: a story of life and love in the actual Arctic' but did   
   FZ work through a play that introduced him to Nanook much earlier than replays   
   of the 1922 movie as    
   filler on tv?);   
      
   - Greggary Peccary (again, we know that GP's name was a riff on Gregory Peck,   
   the actor, but did the story line and some of the lines come from an otherwise   
   forgotten play written for young people?)   
      
   - a play based on the Russian folk tale of "the runaway soldier and devil",   
   the story that is consolidated in Stravinsky's L'Historie du soldat (part of   
   the music of which shows up in 'Soft-sell conclusion' on ,   
   and in , and FZ's gig as narrator of the story with the LA Philharmonic)   
       
      
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