From: lcargill99@comcast.com   
      
   The old geezer wrote:   
   > On Thursday, June 28, 2018 at 6:54:02 PM UTC-4, sevr...@gmail.com wrote:   
   >> I can't speak for this group but I was in another group that was incredibly   
   active between 1997 and 2009 before petering down to just a dribble, similar   
   to this group.   
   >>   
   >> The theory of the collapse there was, the real hardcore fans of the topic   
   had managed to burn through all the obsessive conversation they could stomach   
   in the ten-plus years of activity on the board. After more than a decade of   
   discussing one subject .   
   .. there was little new left to say - even with new releases.   
   >>   
   >> While new folks were still joining the group, they were either far   
   less-knowledgeable, trolls, or simply not as obsessed.   
   >>   
   >> Further, the wave of "newbies" faced unkind comments and treatment from the   
   older crowd for their questions - not at all unlike what is seen here (hell,   
   *I* did it with my "google" comment at the top of this thread). Consequently,   
   new folks feel    
   unwelcome and any fresh participation is squashed.   
   >>   
   >> Finally, those of the older group who did still feel like talking about the   
   subject simply moved to fresher, more active sites. Note that the forum on   
   zappa.com is far more active than this one (though, I must admit I've not been   
   on it in a  long    
   while and that may no longer be the case).   
   >   
   > You mean "like this"....?   
   >   
   > (Reprinted from a 2013 post)   
   >   
   > Went to my colleges' 40th reunion the other night  & ran into a couple   
   > of old hippies I used to DJ with at the   
   > college radio station. (They still had the long hair with the bald   
   > head...the Benjamin Franklin look.)  Naturally, I steered the   
   > conversation around to Zappa &   
   > found out they were both die hard MOI fans but Stopped at favorable   
   > things to   
   > say about Frank after 1972 & the JABFLA Lp.  I told them that I was   
   > once like   
   > them but discovered there was life to Zappa's music after Flo & Eddie   
   > hard to believe) & that   
   > they should explore it!  But they were INSISTENT in their viewpoint &   
   > could not   
   > be swayed!  Frank mentions this phenomena in the liner notes of   
   > YCDTOSA 5   
   > concerning the existence of such people!  Why is this?  Were they just   
   > two old   
   > fuddy-duddy hippies living in the past (you know, rock music stopped   
   > in 1975,   
   > that sort of thing) or is this peculiar to Zappa fans/ mystique   
   > only?????  I   
   > know...   
   >   
   > But...but....I may be agreeing with them now.  Is this a sign of "old   
   age"...?   
   >   
   > thoughts..........   
   > comments................   
   >   
      
   Ah, the Creedence/Eagles divide. Plus, Frank was snarky   
   about (his version of phony) hippies the whole time, so...   
      
   "I hate the f***ing Eagles, man" - Jeff "The Dude" Lebowski" :)   
      
   I glommed onto Zappa after 1975, during the Terry Ted era. The   
   Flo and Eddie period is more like a ... comedy stage show and less   
   ... compositional. Or something. I saw the SNL   
   performances in real time.   
      
   They kind of lost me again when everything got reggae.   
      
   >   
   > the OLD geezer   
   >   
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   > NP: Dust To Dust - Steve Roach & Gabby Hayes   
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