From: coyo@darkdna.net   
      
   On 1/14/2015 12:57 PM, Rick Pikul/Chakat Firepaw wrote:   
   > On Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:31:31 +0000, Coyo wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 12/9/14 8:38 PM, Rabid mongoose. wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>> You should desessitize yourself to Nazi.   
   >>   
   >> Naziism is bad because they are totalitarian and statist. They trample   
   >>  individual rights with jackboots and sheer military force, and shove a   
   >>  twisted version of national socialism down everyone's throats. Marx   
   >>  himself said socialism would not work if coerced.   
   >   
   > Point of order:  While the Nazi party did start out as an anti-Bolshevik   
   > socialist party, that had been discarded in all but name in favour of   
   > fascism well before they took power.   
   >   
      
   "Fascism (/fæʃɪzəm/) is a form of radical authoritarian   
   nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe.   
   Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during   
   World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements   
   of left-wing politics,[3] in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and   
   traditional conservatism. Although fascism is often placed on the   
   far-right within the traditional left–right spectrum, several academics   
   have said that the description is inadequate.[4][5]"   
      
   From Wikipedia, the Free Encyclopedia.   
      
   It should be noted that studies have shown Wikipedia curators tend to   
   have a very strongly-expressed socialist bias. I'll need to dig them up   
   sometime, but a pretty good example of this is the Propaganda article   
   which attempts to portray propaganda as a neutral or even good thing.   
      
   Even the Pirate Party, generally agreed to have a strong socialist bias,   
   has a greater representation of libertarians and anarcho-capitalists and   
   more neutral anarchists, rather than an overrepresentation of   
   socialists, communists and other Marxist-flavoured views.   
      
   For the record, I am an Anarchist. I see myself has having a balance   
   between "left anarchist" and "right anarchist" views. While i see   
   sustainable society as important, both financially and ecologically,   
   having centralized state authority is not the way to do it.   
      
   Anyway, I've noticed a trend for socialists to deny the fact that   
   Naziism and Fascism to have very strong roots in socialist dialog and   
   philosophy, and that Fascism is completely capitalist and conservative   
   in nature. I've asked several non-Revisionist historians about this, and   
   they acknowledge that Fascism is just a flavour of socialism.   
      
   It is interesting to note that true, original socialism was very   
   anti-state and inherently anarchist, that a state that protected the   
   people and the working class was impossible, that the state could only   
   ever be a tool of oppression and control.   
      
   I think it is helpful to point out that fascism is alive and well in   
   this world, and that Nazis were demonized because they lost the war. In   
   reality, it's all around us, and just presents itself under a different   
   name.   
      
   Different name, same shit.   
      
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