From: mthrbomb@yahoo.com   
      
   On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 6:20:23 AM UTC-4, Celestia S wrote:   
   > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 5:24:16 PM UTC-6, Kro wrote:    
   > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 11:41:33 AM UTC-4, Kro wrote:    
   > > > On Saturday, August 12, 2023 at 3:03:53 AM UTC-4, Celestia S wrote:    
   > > > > Does this explain the state of the world today, and the insanity of   
   the political left at this time?    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the   
   inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you,   
   having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.    
   > > > >    
   > > > > Has satan been cast out of Heaven already, or is that yet to come? Was   
   he cast out long ago, and if so then when?    
   > > > >    
   > > > > KRO, you are the resident expert on what John saw, can you shed some   
   light on this for us?    
   > > > Kro    
   > > > The state of the world and the insanity of the left can be explained in   
   carnal terms.    
   > > >    
   > > > The devil hasn't come down yet. There are three "woes"    
   > > > 13 As I watched, I heard an eagle that was flying in midair call out in   
   a loud voice: “Woe! Woe! Woe to the inhabitants of the earth, because of the   
   trumpet blasts about to be sounded by the other three angels!”    
   > > >    
   > > > These three woes are linked to three trumpets and each trumpet is linked   
   to a seal and a vile    
   > > > Observing johns record one sees that the 3 woes are the final 3 stv's   
   the 5th, 6th and the 7th.    
   > > >    
   > > > In your verse quote we see one "woe" mentioned "one" is also "1st". The   
   1st woe is the 5th stv.    
   > > >    
   > > > The 5th stv denotes the beginning of tribgreat this is when the shit   
   hits the fan this is the midtrib point then moves onto the 6th and 7th stv's.    
   > > >    
   > > > Let's look..    
   > > >    
   > > > 5th seal    
   > > > When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those   
   who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had   
   maintained.    
   > > >    
   > > > Of note do you see the constructs "word of God" and "testimony" [of   
   jesus]? Sound familiar? I say it all the time!    
   > > >    
   > > > Rev 1:2    
   > > > The Word    
   > > > The testimony    
   > > > All that john saw    
   > > >    
   > > > See the pattern?    
   > > >    
   > > > Anyway these last days saints havnt been martyred yet so we know the   
   devil hasn't shown up yet. The question is how do we know who these martyrs   
   are?    
   > > >    
   > > > These martyrs will be engaged in righteous dissent saying the things I   
   have been saying as fellow servants suffering in the revelation of Jesus   
   christ.    
   > > >    
   > > > Moving on..    
   > > >    
   > > > The fifth trumpet    
   > > > The fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen   
   from the sky to the earth. The star was given the key to the shaft of the   
   Abyss.    
   > > >    
   > > > The devil has the key.    
   > > >    
   > > > 5th vial    
   > > > And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast:and   
   his kingdom was full of darkness: and they gnawed their tongues with pain: and   
   they blasphemed the god of heaven because of their pains and sores and   
   repented not of their deeds.   
       
   > > >    
   > > > Here i stray away into my own intuition and suggest these goins ons here   
   is a reaction to great turmoil be it natural catastrophes and or open warfare   
   against aliens/ divine judgements.    
   > > >    
   > > > There is alot more details left out of these observations but this is an   
   example of how one parallels gods word of revelation.    
   > > >    
   > > > This is a start and how..    
   > > Your welcome   
   > Who deleted all those messages? They might have been worth reading.    
   >    
   > Thanks KRO, but I think you are missing the point of my question. Satan   
   being cast out only means that he no longer has access to the councils of   
   Heaven, where he "accused the brethren before God day and night". Why there   
   would ever be night in Heaven    
   is another matter! But satan has always had access to Earth.    
   >    
   > He should have known his time was short when Adam was created, or certainly   
   when Jesus was crucified and took from him the keys to death hell and the   
   grave. Really he should have known his time was short when he first rebelled,   
   but by then he was    
   already gone insane, so he did not know. But at the moment when he is denied   
   access to Heaven, he would truly know for sure that his time is short, and   
   would become angry like never before.    
   >    
   > And once restricted to Earth, he might not IMMEDIATELY turn loose his full   
   wrath, he could take any length of time to prepare for that, including   
   arranging affairs on Earth to be suitable for his final assault upon God and   
   His children. That could take    
   thousands of years to do. So my question remains, has he been cast out of   
   Heaven yet, and if so when did that happen?   
      
      
   I often see those deleted messages  too I've never seen any of them before   
   they were deleted.    
   I guess the early bird gets the worm    
      
   I deleted  a conversation the night before last   that I accidentally posted   
   when it wasn't finished.    
   I noticed when I went to delete it, minutes after I posted, it already had   
   three views.. I'm not going to repost it.. still unfinished.. (about the   
   innocence, infants, that were slain for the word of God made flesh, and the   
   144,000  I listed the numbers    
   of the population at the time, Coptic sources assert 144,000 and that it took   
   place December  29    
   the population of Palestine in Jesus' day was approximately 500,000 to   
   600,000... In Jesus day the total population of Galilee was more than three   
   million    
   <<(War 6.420), and Josephus himself mustered 60,000 infantry and a total of   
   100,000 fighters for the war against Rome (War 2.583, 576). There is a   
   widespread tendency in scholarship to dismiss Josephus's population figures.>>>   
   I wonder sometimes if it  is possible that the infanticide that Herod    
   committed on the innocents, effected the people spiritually in that day,   
   made them so hard hearted against Jesus but Im not going to assert who I think   
   the 144,000 are till I'm absolutely sure.   
      
      
   I agree with you that Satan bides his time on earth.. and lives to put a   
   monkey wrench in Gods Plans as much as he can .. like when the Archangel   
   Michael was coming to Daniel, but was anable to because of the prince of   
   Persia....   
      
   The demon presence is strong on the earth right now...   
      
      
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