From: omdahlkevin3@gmail.com   
      
   On Tuesday, September 19, 2023 at 1:02:14 PM UTC-4, alt.fan.gene-scott wrote:   
   > Answer...    
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   > Interesting to note that God calls you "untaught and unstable," Kro...    
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   > "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our   
   beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written   
   unto you; as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these things, in   
   which are some things    
   hard to understand, which the untaught and unstable distort, as they do also   
   the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction". - 2 Peter 3:15    
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   > And...    
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   > Acts 9:8-16 - "And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened,   
   he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.   
   And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink. And there   
   was a certain    
   disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision,   
   Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord. And the Lord said unto him,   
   Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the   
   house of Judas for one called    
   Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth, And hath seen in a vision a man   
   named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive   
   his sight. Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how   
   much evil he hath done to    
   thy saints at Jerusalem: And here he hath authority from the chief priests to   
   bind all that call on thy name. But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he   
   is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings,   
   and the children of    
   Israel: For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's   
   sake."   
      
   Kro   
   I dont know who you are and how you have changed my screename to alt fan. and   
   why your using the alt fan. Screename as well? But here we go...   
      
   For the sake of clarity I will retain my screen name "kro" and you will be   
   "alt fan" ....   
      
   Alt fan    
   Interesting to note that God calls you "untaught and unstable," Kro..   
      
   Kro   
   Actualy the sir name "peter" said that quoting Saul not GOD And your presuming   
   it describes me and that isn't an proven absolute truth. In fact if your   
   presumption is wrong then its slander and a false accusation.   
      
   Alt fan 2 continues to quote all of Peter 3:15  which refers to Saul's sayings   
   not GODs sayings.  And BTW Peter was arguably wrong about pauls calling, and   
   apostleship as being inspired and approved by Jesus but I digress...   
      
   "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; "  as our   
   beloved brother Paul also"   
      
   Kro   
   Really? So pauls longsuffering is on par with our Lord's and necessary for our   
   salvation?  Not just the shed blood of Jesus christ but also pauls ministry?   
   Thats heresy.   
      
   Alt fan 2 continues quoting Peter referring to Saul's words not GODS words....   
   "according to the wisdom given unto him"(saul) allegedly, again no sound proof   
   this occurred...   
      
   Kro   
   But going with the possibility whats this wisdom and where's the sound proof   
   it was givin to him by our Lord Jesus the christ?  I for one find sauls   
   theology to be an attempt at convoluting the word of god, usurping the   
   testimony of jesus and mutating    
   the reality of the spirit/helper into anthropomorphised and humanist blasphemy.   
      
   Alt fan.2 continues with quoting Peter referring to sauls words not GODS words.   
   "hath written unto you; as also in all his letters, speaking in them of these   
   things,"   
      
   Kro   
   What things?   
      
    Alt fan 2 continues quoting Peter referring to Saul's words not GODS words    
   "in which are some things hard to understand,"   
      
   Kro    
   Again what things are hard to understand?  Why are they hard to understand?   
      
   Alt fan 2 continues quoting Peter referring to Saul's words not GODS words..   
   "which the untaught"   
      
   Kro   
   Who are the untaught? And what wernt they taught?   
      
      
    Aalt fan 2 continues to quote Peter referring to Saul's words not GODS words..   
   "and unstable"   
      
   Kro   
   Who are the unstable and how so?   
      
   Alt fan 2 continues to quote Peter referring to Saul's words not GODS words..   
   [The "untaught" and "unstable" of whom neither Peter or saul makes clear their   
   persons or the "things" spoken that are "hard to hear" as well as the   
   "teachings" peter is referring to do also] "distort, as they do also the rest   
   of the Scriptures, to their    
   own destruction".    
      
   Kro   
   What Scriptures are being distorted and into what?   
      
   Seems to me saul used all manner of distortion to convolute "the word of god   
   and the testimony of jesus" rev 1:2  prompting said gods word and the   
   testimony of Jesus to have john tarry and record all that he saw in the   
   revelation of Jesus christ to    
   circumvent the damage saul wrought upon the church built upon the rock that is   
   peters namesake.   
       
      
    Salvation is for the righteous as is repentance. Repentance from sin to   
   righteousness and its personified by being a faithful witness of the word of   
   god the testimony of Jesus and all that john saw as recorded in johns record.   
   Salvation is for the    
   martyrs of Jesus and they are servants of God, brothers and prophets, as well   
   as all who obey what is written in this book. Worship only God!”  rev 22:9.    
      
   The real longsuffering that has nothing to do with peters misguided belief in   
   Saul's longsuffering that Peter himself is recorded as saying and deducing   
   that pauls longsuffering is on par with our Lord's longsuffering and necessary   
   for our salvation?     
   Not just the shed blood of Jesus christ but also pauls ministry?   
      
   Read it again....   
   (Peter speaking) "And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation;   
   "  as our beloved brother Paul also"   
      
   And again I say thats heresy.  Maybe blasphemy. At the very least Peter is   
   worshipping saul/paul and Jesus as our source of salvation.  Dare I say Peter   
   is worshipping saul as a false god tagging along on jesus' coattails? Not   
   askin i know its the truth.   
      
   And thats something hard for a christian to hear.   
      
      
   Suffering and martyrdom is for gods word and the testimony of jesus as John   
   saw and recorded for our edification. paul and the nicolaitans paul produced   
   are found rebuked by the testimony of Jesus has nothing to do with salvation   
   apart from our    
   repentance from their heresy and the blasphemy it produces.   
      
      
      
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