From: lordyumyum@gmail.com   
      
   Now you ask if it's determined?   
   When God allowed Satan to fall there was a karmic job God would have to do   
   so God made what could kill him then battled with it.   
   The result would prove God is beyond in all ways determined or free.   
   The discussion is without exacting terms so actually   
     indeterminate.   
   Once you realize your Gods' property and all you   
   needed was truth   
   you can venture to a place of co creation but that requires exacting   
   expressions like mathematics.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)