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   No One Special to your free will does not exist. Yet    
   T.U.L.I.P. - THE TOTAL DEPRAVITY OF CALV   
   08 Jan 24 20:26:00   
   
   From: theadvancedmarketinggroup@gmail.com   
      
   T.U.L.I.P. - THE TOTAL DEPRAVITY OF CALVINISM; an error filled false gospel...   
      
   >> T - "Total Depravity;"   
      
   Calvinist claim that no one can act in faith until they're born again, yet   
   people did; see Hebrews chapter 11 (not to mention the whole Old Testament   
   filled with records of non-born again people acting in faith contrary to   
   Calvinist false doctrine).    
   Jesus strongly refutes the calvinist false doctrine of "total depravity" in   
   this scripture as clear as it as it can be...   
      
   "Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite   
   indeed, in whom is no guile!" - John 1:47 KJV   
      
   Or...   
      
   "Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, “Behold, an   
   Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!" -  John 1:47 NKJV   
      
   NOTE: Nathanael was a man of NO guile, NO deceit; he was NOT "totally   
   depraved." A person without guile is a person of innocence, honest intent, and   
   pure motives, whose life reflects the simple practice of conforming his daily   
   actions to principles of    
   integrity.   
      
   Also, David was called "A man after God's own heart." "The Lord has sought for   
   Himself a man after His own heart” (1 Sam. 13:14). The second time was by   
   the Apostle Paul who recounted Israel's history, “I have found David the son   
   of Jesse, a man    
   after My own heart, who will do all My will” (Ac. 13:22).   
      
   >> U - "Unconditional Election;"    
      
   Calvinists claim that God chose you, and your choice means nothing, God   
   couldn't care less what you chose, (so why choose to receive Jesus Christ as   
   your savior?)...to Calvinists, your free will does not exist. Yet God's word   
   says; "I call heaven and    
   earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death,   
   blessing and curse. Therefore choose life, that you and your offspring may   
   live..." - Deuteronomy 30:19...and..."If any man will do his will, he shall   
   know of the doctrine,    
   whether it be of God, or whether I speak of myself."  - John 7:17   
      
   >> L - "Limited Atonement;"   
      
   Calvinists claim that Jesus only died for certain people, yet the Bible says   
   He died for all people; Hebrews 2:9 "Jesus taste death for everyone," and in 1   
   John the Bible says that Jesus was the propitiation "for the whole world" - 1   
   John 2:2, and God    
   calls all people to repent; 2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not slack concerning   
   His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not   
   willing that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentance."   
      
   Additionally; Luke 2:10-12 - "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for,   
   behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to ALL PEOPLE.   
   For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ   
   the Lord. And this shall    
   be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying   
   in a manger." And; Romans 11:32-33 - "For God hath concluded them ALL in   
   unbelief, that he might have mercy upon ALL."   
      
   Jesus didn't pay for individual sins (a little blood or death for this one, a   
   little blood and death for that one), He paid for ALL SINS OF MANKIND ALL AT   
   THE SAME TIME WITH HIS DEATH ON THE CROSS. If a person rejects his atoning   
   work at the cross they    
   will spend eternity in hell. Jesus either paid for them all or He paid for   
   none. In fact He paid for them ALL.    
      
   1Tim 4:10: "... we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men,   
   specially of those that believe." Heb 4:2: "For unto us was the gospel   
   preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not   
   being mixed with faith in    
   them that heard it."   
      
   >> I - "Irresistible Grace;"   
      
   Calvinists claim that God's grace cannot be resisted. Yet the Bible says God   
   has graciously given ALL people the ability to receive or reject Him. Sadly,   
   many do reject God's grace, which is NOT "irresistible grace" as Calvinist's   
   claim; God's word says;    
   "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always RESIST the   
   Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you." - Acts 7:51. Additionally; "O   
   Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who   
   are sent to it! How often    
   would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under   
   her wings, and you were NOT WILLING!" - Matthew 23:37   
      
   Additionally; Calvinists claim that human beings "have no free will,"   
   especially in matters of God and of the spiritual nature. The are in error.    
      
   Calvinists claim that God has predestined everything, especially spiritual   
   matters such as you repenting and being saved. Some Calvinists go as far as to   
   claim that unless God predestined something, God would NOT know it was going   
   to happen. They claim    
   that God is sovereign only to the point of willing everything and ALL that   
   happens.   
      
      
   Consider; God instructed Adam NOT to eat of the fruit of the tree of the   
   knowledge of good and evil, and if he did he would surely die.   
      
   God told them NOT to do so, yet God predestined them TO DO SO? God predestined   
   them to do something He told them NOT to do? If that is true, then God has no   
   respect for His own word, yet God's word tells us this;    
      
   "I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy   
   lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all   
   thy name." - Psalm 138:2   
      
   >> Did Adam and Eve...   
      
   1. Choose satan because "God willed them to do so?"   
      
   2. Or, did Adam and Eve choose satan and reject God from an exercise of their   
   free will to do so?   
      
   The answer is simple; God did not predestine, cause or ordain, Adam or Eve to   
   sin, yet because of God's divine omniscient nature He knew they would.   
      
   >> Concerning our free will given to us by God, which Calvinists say we don't   
   have and that free will is a "myth."...   
      
   The words “will,” “free-will,” “willing,” “freewill,” “free   
   will,” along with related words such as “voluntary,” “choose,” etc.,   
   are found nearly 4,000 times in Scripture.   
      
   The requirement of willing obedience from the heart is a theme that runs all   
   through the Bible: “If ye be willing and obedient…” (Isaiah 1:19), “If   
   any man will do his [God’s] will…” (John 7:17), “If thou believest   
   with all thine heart”    
   (Acts 8:37), etc.   
      
      
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