From: prabhupada_news@yahoo.co.uk   
      
   Darwinism Extinct   
      
      
   Hello, my name is Moti.   
      
   The following is a sample of a brilliant critique of the dominant policies,   
   theories and presuppositions of modern science and scientists by the   
   world-famous saint, cultural ambassador, scholar and social reformer His   
   Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada.   
      
   I'm posting it for general discussion.   
      
      
   Darwinism Extinct   
      
      
      
   Dr. Singh. Darwin has said that some species become extinct in the struggle   
   for survival. Those which are capable of surviving will survive, but those   
   which are not will become extinct. So he says survival and extinction go   
   side by side.   
   Srila Prabhupada. Nothing is extinct. The monkey is not extinct. Darwin's   
   immediate forefather, the monkey, is still existing.   
   Karandhara. Darwin said there must be a natural selection. But selection   
   means choice. So who is choosing?   
   Srila Prabhupada. That must be a person. Who is allowing someone to survive   
   and someone to be killed? There must be some authority with discretion to   
   give such an order. That is our first proposition. Who that authority is, is   
   explained in Bhagavad-gita. Krsna says, mayadhyaksena prakrtih: "Nature is   
   working under My supervision." (Bg. 9.10)   
   Dr. Singh. Darwin also says that the different species were not created   
   simultaneously, but evolved gradually.   
   Srila Prabhupada. Then what is his explanation for how the process of   
   evolution began?   
   Karandhara. Modern proponents of Darwinism say that the first living   
   organism was created chemically.   
   Srila Prabhupada. And I say to them, "If life originated from chemicals, and   
   if your science is so advanced, then why can't you create life biochemically   
   in your laboratories?"   
      
      
      
                             In the Future   
      
      
      
   Karandhara. They say they will create life in the future.   
   Srila Prabhupada. What future? When this crucial point is raised, they   
   reply, "We shall do it in the future." Why in the future? That is nonsense.   
   "Trust no future, however pleasant." If they are so advanced, they must   
   demonstrate now how life can be created from chemicals. Otherwise what is   
   the meaning of their advancement? They are talking nonsense.   
   Karandhara. They say that they are right on the verge of creating life.   
   Srila Prabhupada. That's only a different way of saying the same thing: "In   
   the future." The scientists must admit that they still do not know the   
   origin of life. Their claim that they will soon prove a chemical origin of   
   life is something like paying someone with a postdated check. Suppose I give   
   you a postdated check for ten thousand dollars but I actually have no money.   
   What is the value of that check? Scientists are claiming that their science   
   is wonderful, but when a practical example is wanted, they say they will   
   provide it in the future. Suppose I say that I possess millions of dollars,   
   and when you ask me for some money I say, "Yes, I will now give you a big   
   postdated check. Is that all right?" If you are intelligent, you will reply,   
   "At present give me at least five dollars in cash so I can see something   
   tangible." Similarly, the scientists cannot produce even a single blade of   
   grass in their laboratories, yet they are claiming that life is produced   
   from chemicals. What is this nonsense? Is no one questioning this?   
   Karandhara. They say that life is produced by chemical laws.   
   Srila Prabhupada. As soon as there is a law, we must take into consideration   
   that someone made the law. Despite all their so-called advancement, the   
   scientists in their laboratories cannot produce even a blade of grass. What   
   kind of scientists are they?   
   Dr. Singh. They say that in the ultimate analysis, everything came from   
   matter. Living matter came from nonliving matter.   
   Srila Prabhupada. Then where is this living matter coming from now? Do the   
   scientists say that life came from matter in the past but does not at the   
   present? Where is the ant coming from now--from the dirt?   
      
      
      
                            The Missing Link   
      
      
      
   Dr. Singh. in fact, there are several theories explaining how life   
   originated from matter, how living matter came from the nonliving.   
   Srila Prabhupada. [casting Dr. Singh in the role of a materialistic   
   scientist]. All right, scientist, why is life not coming from matter now?   
   You rascal. Why isn't life coming from matter now? Actually such scientists   
   are rascals. They childishly say that life came from matter, although they   
   are not at all able to prove it. Our Krsna consciousness movement should   
   expose all these rascals. They are only bluffing. Why don't they create life   
   immediately? In the past, they say, life arose from matter; and they say   
   that this will happen again in the future. They even say that they will   
   create life from matter. What kind of theory is this? They have already   
   commented that life began from matter. This refers to the past--"began."   
   Then why do they now speak of the future? Is it not contradictory? They are   
   expecting the past to occur in the future. This is childish nonsense.   
   Karandhara. They say that life arose from matter in the past and that they   
   will create life this way in the future.   
   Srila Prabhupada. What is this nonsense? If they cannot prove that life   
   arises from matter in the present, how do they know life arose this way in   
   the past?   
   Dr. Singh. They are assuming...   
   Srila Prabhupada. Everyone can assume, but this is not science. Everyone can   
   assume something. You can assume something, I can assume something. But   
   there must be proof. We can prove that life arises from life. For example, a   
   father begets a child. The father is living, and the child is living. But   
   where is their proof that a father can be a dead stone? Where is their   
   proof? We can easily prove that life begins from life. And the original life   
   is Krsna. That also can be proven. But what evidence exists that a child is   
   born of stone? They cannot actually prove that life comes from matter. They   
   are leaving that aside for the future. [Laughter.]   
   Karandhara. The scientists say that they can now formulate acids, amino   
   acids, that are almost like one-celled living organisms. They say that   
   because these acids so closely resemble living beings, there must be just   
   one missing link needed before they can create life.   
   Srila Prabhupada. Nonsense! Missing link. I'll challenge them to their face!   
   [Laughter.] They are missing this challenge. The missing link is this   
   challenge to their face.   
      
      
      
                         Nobel Prize for an Ass   
      
      
      
   Dr. Singh. Some scientists hope that in the future they will be able to make   
   babies in test tubes.   
   Srila Prabhupada. Test tubes?   
   Dr. Singh. Yes, they intend to combine male and female elements in   
   biological laboratories.   
   Srila Prabhupada. If they begin with living entities, what is the purpose of   
      
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