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   Re: The Good, the Bad, the Ugly   
   05 Sep 03 17:28:25   
   
   XPost: alt.movies.monster   
   From: xplar@netscape.net   
      
   The problem, is Rhindle's opinion reads like he's stating it as fact. Most   
   is simply opinion - 2nd worse G film he's seen, found the characters   
   uninteresting,  felt the suit looked too much like a dinosaur instead of a   
   kaiju, didn't like Ghidrah being portrayed as good, found no credibility in   
   the ending, fight scenes were too manga-like, story was redundant by   
   focusing on his second appearance, and found G2000 a better film - that is   
   all opinion based on the dubbed, Sci-Fi print and all are valid as opinion.   
   Some are issues he has with Kaneko's decisions, others, (like the 2nd   
   appearance storyline), are not of Kaneko's choosing but of Toho who were   
   experimenting with different continuities. For Rhindle to attribute that to   
   Kaneko, means he believes Kaneko had absolute control over the picture and   
   contradicts what he stated in a later reply. In essence, Rhindle blankly   
   stated what he didn't like and didn't care who was responsible for it. Fine.   
   What is not opinion, but actually critique, is his take on the editing.   
      
   "The film seemed to be edited by a first-year film school student.  Shots   
   were too long or useless.  The director seemed to have no idea how to build   
   suspense."   
      
   To pin Kaneko for suspense problems from an altered cut, shows a complete   
   lack of knowledge on editing. Simply because Rhindle *did not watch*   
   Kaneko's version, yet, he's trying to blame him for it. To say scenes are   
   too long or felt useless is opinion because it's something that can be   
   argued. But when shots - any full shots - are removed, the pacing of the   
   film is altered. The more it happens, the greater the change. When   
   commercial breaks are added, (when none are intended), it also changes the   
   pace, (whether someone personally understands a commercial break or not is   
   irrelevant, unless they think the commercial apart of the film).  There is   
   simply no movie that can maintain its intended level of suspense with   
   commercial breaks, because it is literally a *break* from the film that   
   allows you to concentrate things other than the movie. It's a forced pause   
   that detracts, because each scene is supposed to build on the previous in   
   numerous ways. When you factor in removed shots, a film's tempo is now   
   totally disrupted.   
      
   I found certain scenes linger or don't play well in the subtitled, uncut   
   version, but that's my opinion as someone who edits and it's completely   
   subjective. I wouldn't attribute the Sci-Fi airing to anyone actually   
   involved in the filmmaking process. They had no control over its outcome. If   
   Kaneko had the choice of commercial interruption or not, I believe he would   
   have chosen the latter, as well as unedited...and subtitled...and   
   widescreen.   
      
   "Rhindle The Red"  wrote in message   
   news:wwX4b.6262$Lk5.3332@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...   
   > I thought it was the worst Godzilla movie I had ever seen, bar "Godzilla's   
   > Revenge".  (And, no, I haven't actually seen *all* the others yet, that   
   > opinion could change.)   
   >   
   > The characters were cardboard cutouts without a single defining   
   > characteristic to make them interesting.   
   >   
   > The Godzilla suit looked too much like a T-Rex and not enough like   
   Godzilla.   
   >   
   > The re-vamped continuity was almost offensive, with Ghidorah (who had   
   always   
   > been a bad guy AFAIK) being a good guy here.   
   >   
   > The ending was laughable.  I mean it.  I laughed out loud at how   
   ridiculous   
   > it was.   
   >   
   > The film seemed to be edited by a first-year film school student.  Shots   
   > were too long or useless.  The director seemed to have no idea how to   
   build   
   > suspense.   
   >   
   > The fight scenes suffered from "Dragonball-itis".  *The good guy is down!*   
   > *He's up again!*  *The bad guy's defeated!*  *He's back!*  Blah blah blah.   
   >   
   > And, what, is this the thousandth time we've seen Godzilla's "second"   
   > appearance?   
   >   
   > This was such a monumental downgrade from G2000 that I cannot express my   
   > dismay.   
   >   
   > G2000 had everything this film lacked: a decent G-suit, a new (and   
   > interesting) monster, a compelling story, good characters and a solid   
   > ending.  And the US edit of G2000 was actually put together by people who   
   > know how to make a dubbed movie.  GMK was a throwback to the crap dubs of   
   > the 70's.   
   >   
   > Thank goodness I have "Ghidrah the Three-Headed Monster" at constant   
   > stand-by to get the nasty taste of this film out of my mouth.   
   >   
   > --   
   > -   
   > Philip R. Frey   
   > a.k.a. 'Rhindle The Red'   
   > Founder/Editor   
   > The Hunt For Edward D. Wood, Jr.   
   > www.angelfire.com/film/ed_wood/MAIN.html   
   > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hunt_for_Ed/   
   >   
   >   
      
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