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|    Rich Handley to Gassen Burnham    |
|    Re: Judaism's holiest book (1/3)    |
|    09 Nov 03 14:54:00    |
      6a3586e1       XPost: alt.revisionism, uk.local.yorkshire, misc.education.medical       From: rhandley@optonline.net              You're an idiot.                     Gassen Burnham wrote:       >       >> The Talmud: Judaism's holiest book documented and exposed       >> ©1994 by The Old Order Brotherhood. All Rights Reserved       >>       >> The Talmud is Judaism's holiest book. Its authority takes precedence       >> over the Old Testament in Judaism. Evidence of this may be found in       >> the Talmud itself, Erubin 21b (Soncino edition): "My son, be more       >> careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the       >> words of the Torah (Old Testament)."       >> The supremacy of the Talmud over the Bible in the Israeli state may       >> also be seen in the case of the Black Ethiopian Jews. Ethiopians have       >> more knowledge of the Old Testament than the Israelis.       >> However, their religion is so ancient it pre-dates the Scribes Talmud,       >> of which they have no knowledge. According to the N.Y. Times of Sept.       >> 29, 1992, p.4: "The problem is that Ethiopian Jewish tradition goes no       >> further than the Bible or Torah; the later Talmud and other       >> commentaries that form the basis of modern traditions never came their       >> way." Because they don't traffic in Talmudic traditions, the Black       >> Ethiopians are discriminated against and have been forbidden to       >> perform marriages, funerals and other services in the Israeli state.       >> Rabbi Joseph D. Soloveitchik is regarded as one of the most       >> influential rabbis of the 20th century, the "unchallenged leader" of       >> Orthodox Judaism and the top international authority on halakha       >> (Jewish religious law). Soloveitchik was responsible for instructing       >> and ordaining more than 2,000 rabbis, "an entire generation" of Jewish       >> leadership.       >> N.Y. Times religion reporter Ari Goldman described the basis of the       >> rabbis authority: "Soloveitchik came from a long line of distinguished       >> Talmudic scholars...Until his early 20s, he devoted himself almost       >> exclusively to the study of the Talmud...He came to Yeshiva       >> University's Elchanan Theological Seminary where he remained the       >> pre-eminent teacher in the Talmud...He held the title of Leib Merkin       >> professor of Talmud...sitting with his feet crossed in front of a       >> table bearing an open volume of the Talmud." (N.Y. Times, April 10,       >> 1993, p. 38).       >> Nowhere does Goldman refer to Soloveitchiks knowledge of the Bible as       >> the basis for being one of the top world authorities on Jewish law.       >> The rabbis credentials are predicated upon his mastery of the Talmud.       >> All other studies are clearly secondary. Britains Jewish Chronicle of       >> March 26, 1993 states that in religious school (yeshiva), Jews are       >> "devoted to the Talmud to the exclusion of everything else."       >> The Scribes claim the Talmud is partly a collection of traditions       >> Moses gave them in oral form. These had not yet been written down in       >> Jesus time. Christ condemned the traditions of the Mishnah (early       >> Talmud) and those who taught it (Scribes and Pharisees), because it       >> nullified Biblical teachings.       >> The famous warning of Our Lord about the tradition that voids       >> Scripture (cf. Mark 7:13), which is regularly used against Catholicism       >> by Protestants, is actually a direct reference to the Talmud or more       >> properly, the forerunner of the first part of it, the Mishnah, which       >> existed in oral form during Christ*s lifetime, before being committed       >> to writing. All of Mark chapter 7, from verse one through thirteen,       >> represents Our Lord*s pointed condemnation of the Mishnah.       >> Unfortunately, due to the abysmal ignorance of our day, the widespread       >> Christian notion is that the Old Testament is the supreme book of       >> Judaism. But this is not so. The Pharisees teach for doctrine the       >> commandments of rabbis, not God; the Talmudic commentary on the Bible       >> is their supreme law and not the Bible itself. That commentary does       >> indeed, as Jesus said, void the laws of God, not uphold them. As a       >> reader of Talmud (in the rabbinically authorized Soncino version) I       >> know this to be true.       >> There is a small Jewish sect which makes considerable effort to eschew       >> Talmud and adhere to the Old Testament alone. These are the Karaites,       >> a most hated and severely persecuted group within Judaism.       >> To the Mishnah the rabbis later added the Gemara (rabbinical       >> commentaries). Together these comprise the Talmud. There are two       >> versions, the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. The       >> Babylonian Talmud is regarded as the authoritative version: "The       >> authority of the Babylonian Talmud is also greater than that of the       >> Jerusalem Talmud. In cases of doubt the former is decisive." (R.C.       >> Musaph-Andriesse, From Torah to Kabbalah: A Basic Introduction to the       >> Writings of Judaism, p. 40).       >> This study is based on the Jewish-authorized, English translation of       >> the Babylonian Talmud: the Soncino edition. Every selection we cite is       >> documented directly from the text of the authoritative Soncino Talmud.       >> We have published herein the authenticated sayings of the Jewish       >> Talmud. Look them up for yourself. To verify the Talmud passages       >> cited, refer to the Soncino edition Talmud, which may be found in       >> large university and seminary libraries. The Soncino Talmud may also       >> be purchased from book dealers.       >> Translations: The translators of the Talmud sometimes translate the       >> Hebrew word goyim (Gentiles) under any number of terms such as       >> heathen, Cuthean, Egyptian, idolater etc. But these are actually       >> references to Gentiles (all non-Jews). See for example footnote 5 of       >> the Soncino edition Talmud: Cuthean (Samaritan) was here substituted       >> for the original goy... Christians are sometimes referred to by the       >> code word Min or Minim.       >> It is the standard disinformation practice of the Pharisees to deny       >> the existence of the following Talmudic scriptures and to claim they       >> are the fabrications of "anti-Semites." This disinformation can only       >> obtain cachet among those too lazy to go to the English-language books       >> of the Talmud and look these passages up for themselves. Hebrew       >> University Professor emeritus Israel Shahak in his monumental 1994       >> work, "Jewish History, Jewish Religion" (London:Pluto Press), has       >> confirmed the malice and racism contained in Talmud.       >> Like the courageous Prof. Shahak, we publish the following educational       >> material in the hope of liberating people, both Jewish and non-Jewish,       >> from the superstitions, hate-mongering and barbarities of Talmud. The       >> implementation of Talmudic philosophy has caused untold suffering       >> throughout history and now in occupied Palestine it is used as a       >> justification for the mass murder of Palestinian civilians.       >> Some Teachings of the Talmud Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis       >> deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement       >> in hell.              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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