On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:36:49 -0500, Jeff wrote:   
      
   > On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:35:58 -0500, Andrew James Clutterbuck wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:35:34 -0500, Mikey Lissack wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 15:28:01 -0500, Ian Anderson wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> At the point when Draco took the Elder Wand from Dumbledore,   
   >>>> Dumbledore was dying.......not only from his hand, but from the potion   
   >>>> he drank......so at that point in time, Draco was the most powerful   
   >>>> wizard.......Dumbledore: a dying old man.....Draco: a heathly young   
   >>>> man.......a no brainer for the Elder Wand.......   
   >>>   
   >>> Well all the time the E.W. changed alligance, the previous owner was   
   >>> "WEAK" in some way.   
   >>>   
   >>> The first owner was owerpowered while he was sleeping and beeing   
   >>> completely drunk = weak   
   >>> Another one was held prisioner in his own cellar by his own son. =   
   >>> weak   
   >>> Draco lost the phisical struggle with Harry. = weak   
   >>>   
   >>> V. want's to own the E.W. to escape Death = weak   
   >>>   
   >>> I would say that this fits into the idea of Wandlore. If you win a   
   >>> wand it changes alligance. And you need to do something to win it. Be   
   >>> it stronger, cleverer, braver, ..... A wand doesn't just jump into   
   >>> your hand   
   >>   
   >> Yeah, but weakness/strength isn't the reason it changes allegiance.   
   >> We're told by Ollivander it changes it's allegiance based on who the   
   >> victor is in a duel or a fight where one of the parties involved is   
   >> the wand's master.   
   >>   
   >> Obviously a strong person will usually beat a weak person, but that   
   >> doesn't mean the wand's allegiance has anything to do with strength or   
   >> weakness, especially when we're specifically told it chooses based on   
   >> who wins and who loses.   
   >   
   > First Wandlore: The wand chooses the witch or wizard. For my   
   > understanding the Elder Wand chooses the "worthy" one when changing   
   > alligance. The worthy one has to gain it in some way, acting superior   
   > over the previous owner.   
      
      
    think that's when a wizard or witch is buying a wand. Like Harry in   
   PS, his wand chose him, he didn't choose the wand.   
      
   In DH Ollivander tells Harry "where a wand has been won, it's   
   allegiance will change" and "the conquered wand will usually bend it's   
   will to it's new master". Both times he mentions allegiance changing   
   according to who the victor is, he doesn't mention strength or   
   weakness.   
      
   Even in HBP when Draco wins the elder wand's allegiance, it wasn't   
   because he was stonger than Dumbledore, it was because Dumbledore   
   opted to body-bind Harry instead of defending himself.   
      
   > I remember the false Moddy telling Harry to act to his strenghts and   
   > he would pass the dragon. All four passed their dragon using their   
   > individual strenght.   
      
   Not sure what this has to do with wands. Did Harry, Cedric, Krum or   
   Fleur win a wand's allegiance when they got past the dragons by   
   playing to their strengths? STFU.   
      
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