From: toon@toon.com   
      
   On Sat, 04 Dec 2010 06:02:30 -0800, richard e white    
   wrote:   
      
   >Rats wrote:   
   >   
   >> The Elder wand is supposed to be a wand that cannot lose in duels yet   
   >> Dumbledore beat Grindewald in a duel to win the elder wand off him.   
   >> How could this be?   
   >   
   >It deals with who is the true owner of a wand.  In the books it is said   
   >that you must matchup with a new wand or defeat its curent owner.  The   
   >man DD beat stole the wand he didn't win it in a fight.  This does bring   
   >up how DD was able to get true ownership.  It is much the same as when   
   >Harry and V fought.  V wasn't thr true owner, harry was.  It was draco   
   >who defeated DD.  Even though he never touched the wand draco was the   
   >owner when Harry defeated Draco as they escapt Draco's home.  This was   
   >why the elderwand wouldn't work so well.   
      
   it seems the EW transfers ownership quite easily, but not loyalties.   
   SO when Grinster stole the wand, he became owner but not Master.   
   Either the previous Master still lost it, and lost loyalties, or it's   
   whoever gets beat first, owner or Master.  Since the old Master didn't   
   get beat before DD beat Grindy, then the wand went to DD.   
      
   This is why the EW tends to get lost over time.  People think they're   
   the Master and aren't.  So when somebody beats the true Master, they   
   become Master to a wand they don't own, and don't even know it.  When   
   ownership and Masterhood coincide, and the EW is identified, it   
   returns to public knowledge.   
      
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