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   Message 129,773 of 130,933   
   Chan Welbourne to All   
   Re: Ring Composition In Deathly Hallows    
   16 Jul 11 15:31:26   
   
   From: bleablah@mume.invalid   
      
   Wilford Dumont formulated on Saturday :   
   > On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:22:11 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:   
      
   >> VD explained :   
   >>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:03:25 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:   
   >>>> VD brought next idea :   
   >>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:49:32 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:   
   >>>>>> VD pretended :   
   >>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:35:52 -0400, Sirius Black wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Sat, 16 Jul 2011 14:29:39 -0400, VD wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 02:06:22 -0700 (PDT), Benjamin Esham wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> * I felt much more nostalgic for the SS/PS days at the end of this   
   >>>>>>>>>> movie   than I did at the end of the book. I think it's because the   
   >>>>>>>>>> epilogue  in   the book is given from Harry's perspective, and so we   
   >>>>>>>>>> mostly see  how  he's   changed, while the movie still shows pretty   
   >>>>>>>>>> much the same  scene we  had in   the very first movie. It's easy to   
   >>>>>>>>>> mentally replace  that  long-haired kid   with 11-year-old Daniel   
   >>>>>>>>>> Radcliffe--and not least  because  of the music!   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Did you notice how Harry put Albus and Rose on the train to Hogwarts   
   >>>>>>>>> beginning again the sequence of the Albus "white" Rose (Rosicrucian)   
   >>>>>>>>> initiation...the seekers journey?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Food for thought ;)   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> There you go all Christian and religio on us. lol Bannister will have   
   >>>>>>>> an atheistic hissy.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I am positive Mr. Bannister will be fine. ;>)   
   >>>>>>> Following the alchemical structure isn't a Christian effort. It's a   
   >>>>>>> liturgical one, the alchemical story can be allegorically ensnared in   
   >>>>>>> any belief set as long as that set follows the seeker's   
   >>>>>>> transfiguration of his soul.   
   >>>>>>> It's not my fault Ms. Rowling is an ascribed Christian. ;)   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You can't miss the alchemical approach and yopu can't miss the film's   
   >>>>>> use of sequences from the earlier films either. Nice cohesiveness, I   
   >>>>>> enjoyed this.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Ring Composition:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> 1) the Potter series and each novel have beginnings and ends that meet   
   >>>>> up.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> 2) the books are centered; i.e. they return to the question raised in   
   >>>>> the beginning and answer that question in the end.   
   >>>>> 3) each book  has its mirrored image or “reverse   
   >>>>> echo” in the book or chapter on the opposite side of the story divide.   
   >>>>> ABC|D|CBA   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Ms. Rowling follows very closely the lead of other alchemical writers;   
   >>>>> ring composition is yet another proof of Ms. Rowling's alchemical   
   >>>>> approach.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> HP is a much different animal that "Lord" but you probably don’t want a   
   >>>> course in alchemical literature and ring composition, so I’ll leave it   
   >>>> at that, since this is a post about the movie, not the books. :D   
   >>> If you imply that Yates et al were not concerned with the alchemical   
   >>> translations of the book to the movie. I simply don't know. I do not   
   >>> see any overt signs that the movie desires to stick closely to the   
   >>> literary alchemy, the movie is an adaptation after all.   
   >>> Yet, in the end all, DH2 does in many ways keep still to the   
   >>> alchemical (and Christian) underpinnings which isn't hard to explain.   
   >>> The book was the original draft of the screen write. ;)   
   >>   
   >> I got no sense that DH Two or any of the movies much cared about the   
   >> alchemical symbology but I do think that Warner or someone understood   
   >> enough of the ring composition of the series to slap in those parallels   
   >> to prior movies.   
      
   > Or they wanted to tie to the sympathies of the loyal following.   
      
   That too. :')   
      
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