From: bleablah@mume.invalid
Sky Rider wrote on 7/31/2011 :
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2011 17:04:40 -0400, "John M."
> wrote:
>> "Sky Rider" wrote in message
>> news:j0fp275b4ig2v998hr782dodes8lm1g87a@4ax.com...
>>> Sadly the films and book storylines diverted dramatically a long time
>>> back! :(
>>> That part was one of the things that frustrated me the most with the
>>> two films. There were a number of back stories that might seem
>>> unimportant as far as the 'action; was concerned but they were
>>> essential in telling the entire story.
>> It wasn't eiether essential or necessary to tell the entire story nor was it
>> practical, probable or possible.
> Wrong. It was the story of the book that made it the success it was.
> Once you start to dilute the implicit message you change the entire
> reason for it's popularity and make it difficult for people to
> transfer between visual and written media.
>>> For example, there was nothing in there to explain why Kreacher obeyed
>>> Harry when he told him to seek Mundungus
>> Albus Dumbledore didn't understand the relationships between elves, houses
>> and families either. It was never explained clearly in the books or films
>> the concept of elf ownership.
> Please expand on that thesis? I see nothing in the book to suggest he
> was less than fully aware of the relationship between elf and
> 'master'. The only query he had was regarding the possibility if
> someone explicitly instructing an elf to serve another master in a
> will, which was quite reasonable under the system as we were given to
> understand it.
> As a matter of fact, it is quite possible it had never been done
> before... but you'd ahve to ask JKR about that, it *is* her universe
> after all.
>>> As with the other films, the story was sacrificed to keep the action
>>> flowing!
>> The films tell a different story.
> The same could be said of the Bourne Series which has next to nothing
> of the original story in them. Nevertheless, this series was already a
> 'classic' and had a clear storyline!
>>> That part was well done... tho the 'kiss' was a bit better in the book
>>> as Harry was there being his usual exasperated self :D
>> I disagree. JKR has several scene themes she cannot write with majesty. One
>> is the romance or love connection. You might argue that they were not true
>> to the book, I would say that the argument is fundamentally invalid and if
>> it were not, then the screenwriters had little to go on from the text.
> I disagree... but there ya go.
>>> That fight was such a let-down. Even the part where Voldemort vanishes
>>> was just *wrong*.
>>> We *needed* his body there to prove he was dead and
>>> that it *was* finally over!
>> Split into millions of pieces is proof enough for most everyone who I has
>> seen the film.
> Returning to the indicent that led to the remainder of the books;
> within the story Voldemort 'disappeared' without witness to his
> demise other than Harry after the attack and was able to return.
> The purpose of his body being visible was partly to prove his death
> was real, but more so to show he was no more or less than any other
> human.
> What's more, in the story his end came in front of hundreds of
> witnesses so there could be no dispute. His death with nobody but
> Harry to witness could very easily start a new 'cult' created by
> people who hope he will rise again... as he did 15 years after he
> killed Harry's parents.
> Very unsatisfactory way to deal with the situaion. Vidsually very
> powerful... but it neither told the story nor fulfill the needs of the
> plotline for a clear ending.!
>>> The fight with Molly and Bellatrix was
>>> over way too fast as well and there was no sign of the skills she's
>>> accumulated from years of practicing with her brothers). It might have
>>> been nice to have been given enough information for people to
>>> understand who she was, what she was doing there, and how such an odd
>>> person could have been able to defeat Voldemort's second in command!
>> A reasonable person wopuld assume that she was capable simply because she
>> performed Bellatrix' execution. Not everything requires a backstory when the
>> screenwritten story line has scenes which are easily accepted.
> A 'reasonable person' who'd watched the film would have realised what
> a powerful with Bellatrix was and wondered how an untrained houswewife
> could possibly have the skills required to match a dedicated sadistic
> murdress!
>>> The wand was important yes... but he didn't repair it, just snapped
>>> the only wand that could have fixed it! Also... I'm wondering why he
>>> didn't use the Elder Wand to help repair the castle before he broke
>>> it... if break it he must!
>> Unless the screenwriter's were to completely overturn the death,
>> resurrection and self-sacrifice concepts, which JKR has claimed were
>> extremely important, the Elder Wand could not be collected by Harry.
> Harry *had* collected the wand! Even in the film he was the wand's
> master and used it for one task only... to repair his own wand. He
> *could* have used it once in the film to point it at the school and
> use 'reparo' to return it to its normal state before destroying it.
> Minor point really since the situation was wrecked in Part 1 by having
> the snatchers needlessly throw Harry's broken wand away!
> By the way, in abandoning the devotion Kreacher showed to Regulus
> through the years and Harry's winning him over despite his lifetime of
> maltreatment at the hands of the Blacks, one of the important themes
> (i.e. that there is good in everyone and anyone can return from
> thedepths of evil) was entirely lost. That was echoed in Wormtail's
> hesitation when he was reminded that he 'owed' his life to Harry after
> the events of PS!!
>>> Yes - I really liked the epilogue in the film more than the book
>>> version. It really was well done and made me feel more sad than
>>> anything else in the film.
>> Films do visuals; books do themes.
> Films are quite capable of being thematic!
>>> The film as a film was pretty good but in no way a masterpiece.
>>> However, as a representation of the book and original storyline it
>>> fell far short.
>> Apples and oranges.
> Hardly - several of the otehr films in the series did a pretty good
> job at portraying the Potterverse as described by JKR. The plot
> changes in the later seemed to have been introduced for no obvious
> reason.
>>> I'll buy the DVD when it comes out and watch it many times as I've
>>> done with the others... but having seen it twice already I think I can
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