From: bleablah@mume.invalid   
      
   John M. pretended :   
   > On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:52:57 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:   
      
   >> It happens that Wilford Dumont formulated :   
   >>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:48:24 -0400, John M. wrote:   
   >>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:45:13 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Wilford Dumont explained on 8/10/2011 :   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:24:56 -0400, Sirius Black wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:23:48 -0400, Wilford Dumont wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:22:02 -0400, Sirius Black wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:21:22 -0400, Chan Welbourne wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> VD wrote :   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:44:00 -0400, Wilford Dumont wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:43:10 -0400, John M. wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to jump in here to say that the reading of an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> alchemical text (Potter, Chymical Wedding, Flamel, others)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> requires  a training. That does not mean that simple alchemical   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> symbols  cannot be pointed out as Victor is doing, understood and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> made  relevant. Think the Bible which has its inner and outer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> knowledge  sanctums. Both are relevant.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Well said.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Yes it is and a very good point. There has to be a level of trust   
   >>>>>>>>>>> that you have in any teacher which I don't purport to be, btw. Any   
   >>>>>>>>>>> data, information source, has to be credible, believable and   
   >>>>>>>>>>> understandable.  I have read enough of John Granger, Hans Andrea,   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Mark McClean and many others to feel very comfortable with their   
   >>>>>>>>>>> understandings of alchemy. I know enough about Ms. Rowling to feel   
   >>>>>>>>>>> comfortable with her...and with the fully valid assessment that she   
   >>>>>>>>>>> has written a Septology using alchemical symbology at its literary   
   >>>>>>>>>>> heart.  I also believe that she understands that there may be a   
   >>>>>>>>>>> small percentage of her readership that will be able to tear open   
   >>>>>>>>>>> the superficial layers of HP and get at the underlying, alchemical   
   >>>>>>>>>>> symbology.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Not having to be an educated alchemical expert either as long as   
   >>>>>>>>>>> you have a credible source to lean on.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> What is rather depressing is that there are very few people   
   >>>>>>>>>> interested  in trying to find out what marvels there really are in   
   >>>>>>>>>> alchemical  texts  and imagery. :/   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Would you mention any names like "name" who posts here? lol   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> For one.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Werks4Me. lol   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> We seem now to live in a world of rhetoric, where people are trying to   
   >>>>>>>> win us over to their particular viewpoint and who don't care at all   
   >>>>>>>> about the true facts or original meaning of something.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> The now defunct group of historical posters to AFHP represent this   
   >>>>>>>> group.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Their viewpoint is that this alchemy stuff is all shit.   
   >>>>>> They're Da Vinci Code experts. It is a bit sad that people take a   
   >>>>>> novel that seriously as a guide to exploring paintings or alchemy.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I suspect the writer of that novel only saw his writing as a novel and   
   >>>>> never expected that people would confuse his fiction with fact and   
   >>>>> research. But it seems to have left a trail of nonsense behind it that   
   >>>>> we inherit and have to try to clear up. :'(   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is a real time problem, alchemy being rather obscure and arcane   
   >>>> is wide open to be exploited in this way. To get past the Tarot and   
   >>>> Ouija board inspired reader is a serious issue. The only way is this   
   >>>> style of discussion.   
   >>   
   >>> Dix has been on AFHP enough time that he is very credible. If readers   
   >>> of this newsgruppe don't want to take in the information, it's their   
   >>> heads in the sand, they have no excuses.   
   >>   
   >> None except for the ones who don't have enough upstairs to comprehend.   
      
   > I don't by this, Chan, not at all. If you can read Harry Potter, you   
   > can absorb the symbology. If you read afhp, you can be lead to an   
   > understanding of the very basics, if nothing else. Those basics are   
   > the use of alchemical symbolism by JKR, what those symbols are, what   
   > they mean (to a novice).   
      
   > These very same people can indulge in endless exercises of uncovering   
   > tropes, time sequence inaccuracies, reaching fanfiction, and the   
   > remainder of anomalies which require digging and considerable effort.   
   > They have chosen to put their sweat behind what amuses them instead of   
   > what could teach them.   
      
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