XPost: alt.magick, alt.books, alt.religion.wicca   
   From: bleablah@mume.invalid   
      
   Tom has brought this to us :   
   > On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 15:33:42 -0400, Absorbed wrote:   
      
   >> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 15:32:14 -0400, VD wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 14:45:07 -0400, Tom wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Sat, 3 Sep 2011 14:05:59 -0400, VD wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> On Fri, 2 Sep 2011 18:14:04 -0400, Thomas J. Giarmo wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Thomas, very interesting. :-? What are the properties of the Stone   
   >>>>>>> referenced here?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...as a transmutation of a lesser valued metal into gold) and   
   >>>>>> immortality (again a transmutation of the individual into some   
   >>>>>> transcendental state of being or condition). I put possessor in   
   >>>>>> single quotes because the Stone isn't always described as a   
   >>>>>> physical object.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...(either in laboratories or using oneself *as* the   
   >>>>>> laboratory/crucible)...   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ...the Stone... to communicate its benefits through proximity   
   >>>>>> (touching base metals at the proper time and in the right way...it   
   >>>>>> touches one's interior and is supposed to catalyze healing and a   
   >>>>>> change making one's spirit or body into some special eternal   
   >>>>>> substance).   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> the Stone may also be described as having an entirely spiritual quality,   
   >>>>>> even equated with religious agents such as Jesus Christ, among   
   >>>>>> Christian alchemists and mages.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I feel as if I am Gary Oldham in the OotP after Harry claims he wants   
   >>>>> to join and fight, sitting back, a quick hand clap and a wink of   
   >>>>> acceptance. ;0) You have summarized well!   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> as it appears in the Harry Potter series, it is more a plot device than   
   >>>>>> fabulous and detailed connection to occult history, though the mention   
   >>>>>> of Flamel, the identification of it AS a stone, and the magical   
   >>>>>> properties it communicates to the person that holds it serve to justify   
   >>>>>> its name. Rowling's property-set for the stone in her stories is   
   >>>>>> unclear in my memory, though the evil magician seeking it [whose name   
   >>>>>> apparently only Harry shall feel safe to repeat ;>] was convinced that   
   >>>>>> it would grant him greater power and a return to a more ordinary life,   
   >>>>>> freed from skulking under teachers' turbans and within the sewers of   
   >>>>>> the Hogwarts school.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> LV is a seeker; Harry Potter is a Seeker. They initially seek the same   
   >>>>> thing, victory over (rather then glad acceptance of) death ala the   
   >>>>> Stone.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Thomas, we will differ on the use of the Stone only as a plot device,   
   >>>>> it is much, much more.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It is our introduction to Ms. Rowling's literary alchemy much of which   
   >>>>> is patterned after The Alchemical Wedding of Christian Rosycross or   
   >>>>> The Chymical Wedding of Christian Rosenkreutz.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Dumbledore removed the Stone from Hogwarts (and Harry and Voldemort)   
   >>>>> as much to keep eternal life from LV as to realign Harry on his own   
   >>>>> transmutational journey, of his soul and his acceptance of death.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This is why PS/SS is so very important. It is the beginning of our   
   >>>>> journey, our own transmutation and Transfiguration..if we so choose to   
   >>>>> use our Inner Eye(s) to do so. ;)   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Bah! You have no clue of which you dribble, Dicks.   
   >>>   
   >>> Hello, "Tom" I see nothing changes in the world of the blind. :(   
   >>>   
   >>>> You wish to impress with your multiple Ph.Ds and degrees. Bah!. You seem   
   >>>> to think that if you spend your whole fucking life in an academic ivory   
   >>>> tower could possibly be full of shit.   
   >>>   
   >>> I assume you are lying about me.   
   >>>   
   >>>> That Rowling claiming to have read ridiculous engorging amounts about a   
   >>>> subject...   
   >>>   
   >>> I see you claim she lied about this as well.   
   >>>   
   >>>> ...that actually has nothing whatsoever to do with the kind of shit   
   >>>> Kabbalah is pre-predicated as doing is just pap for pluperfect   
   >>>> fanboys like you. Bah!   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You bore me.   
   >>>   
   >>> Thanks, "Tom", I do hope you don't mind if I ignore you as usual ;0)   
   >>   
   >> Game match set, Tom-The-Master!!!!   
      
   > Thanks, my kickside. Victor Dicks is another phool with an   
   > overstimulated imaginaneering background subset in realistic Martianized   
   > assclown interpretations of Harry Potter which he derives from quantum   
   > computational bullshit upchucked from a nonexistent unicornholer.   
      
   Whoa what a massive tool you are, Tom. :/   
      
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