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   The Life of Paul Saberton   
   24 Oct 18 05:51:25   
   
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   Paul Saberton died recently.  The story I got from Chris White on the Phone   
   that the death was caused by Organ Failure in the body, as he had gone through   
   an encounter with bathing and apparently been left in a bath too long or   
   something like that.  He    
   suffered from MS, and it just became too much for him to cope with.  He had   
   been taken to a hospital in Sydney and that is where he lived his final   
   moments.  I had met Paul Saberton in late 1996 in the foyer of the United   
   Pentecostal Church in Chifley in    
   Canberra.  Paul was a 'Father and Son' Pentecostal Christian.  It is the   
   doctrine that God alone is God, but the first thing he did was begat a son,   
   after his likeness and image, who was the Logos or Jesus.  It is not a Trinity   
   doctrine – there are two    
   beings, the father and the son, which both have full deity associated with   
   them.  Only the Father had existed eternally till that point.  This was the   
   Christian doctrine of God I had come to, after leaving Trinity belief behind   
   me in Potters House, and    
   then leaving Oneness doctrine behind me when I left the United Pentecostal   
   Church.  The plan was to start a church with Paul, but Paul was also part of   
   'The Message' which is the William Marrion Branham movement, which teaches   
   serpent seed doctrine,    
   where Eve had sex with Satan as well as Adam, Cain being Satan's child and   
   Abel being Adam's child. The doctrine was abhorrent to me, and while I agreed   
   100% with his doctrine on what the bible taught about God, I was never going   
   to join the message,    
   which was and is a cult as far as I am concerned.  The Father and the Son   
   doctrine I believed in 1999 when I left Christian faith, and in all my   
   thoughts about the New Testament to this day I still regard it as the teaching   
   of the New Testament and the    
   original church community. Father and Son, in the end, is wrong though – not   
   because it is not the doctrine of the Christian Bible.  It 100% is.  It is   
   because Christianity itself is flawed, a rival to God's Torah faith, and   
   misaligned agaisnt truth.     
   The deification of Jesus is idolatry.  It is really the end of the issue as   
   far as I am concerned.  Paul was biblical, though.  He had the biggest King   
   James You've ever seen, which Amy Grant would be very proud of him for   
   having.  It had wide margins,    
   with a proliferation of notes he'd made over the years, and where that bible   
   is today, God only knows.  Perhaps in the shelves of a salvos bookstore, or   
   resting in his mother's collection, who I think is probably still alive.  Paul   
   was biblical, and so    
   was I, and we chatted forever on biblical doctrine, having lunch here and   
   there around the traps, me occasionally doing a little bit of gardening with   
   him, maybe once that I can definitely recall, and going to places, like   
   goodberrys, to play chess,    
   after we'd played tennis at the Weston Creek or Belconnen tennis courts.  They   
   were like sedate summer days I recall, when I nursed on the teet of   
   Pentecostal Christian faith in its heyday, and I would still be doing that if   
   Jesus was indeed the Christ    
   and saviour.  Paul never made a huge amount of money.  I think he lived by   
   faith, and left that business in the hands of the Lord.  He did gardnening,   
   and later one, after we fell out of touch, I think he was doing computers   
   again for a bit, before the    
   MS became a problem.  I didn't see him again after a certain point for many   
   years, and we only stayed in touched via telephone.  But in the last year of   
   his life I called him a few times, and he'd share his faith and his woes in   
   life, and try as I might    
   perhaps it was the Lord's mercy which took him when it did, because he'd   
   pretty much had enough.  Paul was a very friendly and loving man, but he would   
   deny those outside of Christian faith as lost, based primarily on his   
   predestination beliefs, or    
   Calvinism.  There was perhaps and idea that in the new earth there were   
   others, for in the new earth dwelt righteousness, as Paul said to me more than   
   once in our latter conversations.  I don't know for sure his last view on the   
   issue.  But he was a    
   genuine Christian, he believed his faith, he practiced it without fakesness,   
   and he applied it to his life in a way which was real and could be an epistle   
   seen and read of men.  He was the real thing.  Mum didn't like him that much   
   – he had an edge    
   which rejected Catholicism, and I think mum probably gathered that much a   
   bit.  But regardless, though I do have some scratchy memories of his atitude   
   also, he was a good enough friend, and this chapter is dedicated to his   
   memory.  In the end, if Paul is    
   Torah like enough in his walk with God in eternity, he might have the strength   
   to go the distance of eternal life.  It might be in him.  I don't know for   
   sure.  But I am pretty sure that, whatever else, he will be there for a good   
   long while.  Our paths    
   may cross again in eternity, and they might cross forever in eternity.  It   
   could end up being the start of a beautiful friendship.  But I don't know for   
   sure, as in the end, as a Noahide, idolatry is idolatry, and Paul was guilty   
   of that much in his    
   worship of Jesus also.  I hope the best for the future of Paul Saberton, and   
   time will tell of the legacy of this son of the Saberton clan.  May he rest in   
   peace. And may his memory, for his good deeds anyway, live on for a good long   
   while.  Cheers.   
      
   Daniel Thomas Andrew Daly   
      
   Canberra, Australia   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)   

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