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   From: LaLaLaLaLaLa@philhendrie.con   
      
   On 3/2/2015 8:18 AM, watchtower wrote:   
   > On 3/2/2015 8:02 AM, Rudy Canoza wrote:   
   >>> Why Are We Socialists?   
   >>>   
   >>> by Joseph Goebbels   
   >>   
   >> They weren't.   
   >   
   > Liar.   
      
   Nope.  No matter what the revisionists might like to pretend, the basic   
   fact is the Nazis did not rule as "socialists", did not implement or   
   propose "socialist" policies.  I've lectured you and other modern-day   
   Nazis on this several times already.  Pay attention this time.   
      
   Mussolini did start out with some kind of affinity with the socialists   
   of his era, but it was always nothing but expediency.  Hitler and   
   Mussolini both embraced right-wing ideals that are anathema to socialists:   
      
      * militarism   
      * nationalism   
      * belief in racial superiority   
      * extreme reverence for "traditional" values   
      * corporatism   
      
   In addition, both utterly rejected socialist notions of class struggle.   
     Neither engaged in land reform, collectivization of farming or   
   nationalization of industry; the Nazis actually reversed earlier   
   nationalizations of industrial firms.   
      
   Here's what underlies gummer's your and other right-wingers' attempts to   
   declare the Nazis and Italian Fascists "socialists":  gummer and you and   
   your extremist far-right fellows harbor *all* of the beliefs and   
   sentiments of the far right, as listed above.  However, for obvious   
   reasons, you don't want to be associated with Nazis and Fascists,   
   especially the Nazis.  You point to the inauthentic link to "socialism"   
   and exclaim, "What?    I can't be a Nazi - the Nazis were   
   'socialists', and I hate socialism!"  But:   
      
   1.  You embrace *ALL* of the worst of Nazism as judged by history   
   2.  You have to pretend you don't see that the Nazis were not   
        "socialists" as Marxists - and everyone else have always understood   
        the word.   
      
   The Nazis were not socialists or "Leftwingers" [sic], and you and gummer   
   *are* Nazis.   
      
      
   --   
      
   Your first duty is to th' country...is to th' flag, and then...and then   
   th' army,   
   and then to...and then to god.  Flag, Army, God - F.A.G.   
      
   Mark Wieber   
   75th Rangers, 1971-1973   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)