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      From: mars1933@hotmail.com              By Robert Faurisson              In what respect is Elie Wiesel a witness to the alleged gas chambers?       By what right does he ask us to believe in that means of       extermination? In an autobiographical book that supposedly describes       his experiences at Auschwitz and Buchenwald, he nowhere mentions the       gas chambers. [2] He does indeed say that the Germans executed Jews,       but ... by fire; by throwing them alive into flaming ditches, before       the very eyes of the deportees! No less than that!       Here Wiesel the false witness had some bad luck. Forced to choose from       among several Allied war propaganda lies, he chose to defend the fire       lie instead of the boiling water, gassing, or electrocution lies. In       1956, when he published his testimony in Yiddish, the fire lie was       still alive in certain circles. This lie is the origin of the term       Holocaust. Today there is no longer a single historian who believes       that Jews were burned alive. The myths of the boiling water and of       electrocution have also disappeared. Only the gas remains.       The gassing lie was spread by the Americans. [3] The lie that Jews       were killed by boiling water or steam (specifically at Treblinka) was       spread by the Poles. [4] The electrocution lie was spread by the       Soviets. [5]              The fire lie is of undetermined origin. It is in a sense as old as war       propaganda or hate propaganda. In his memoir, Night, which is a       version of his earlier Yiddish testimony, Wiesel reports that at       Auschwitz there was one flaming ditch for the adults and another one       for babies. He writes: [6]              Not far from us, flames were leaping from a ditch, gigantic flames.       They were burning something. A lorry drew up at the pit and delivered       its load-little children. Babies! Yes, I saw it-saw it with my own       eyes ... Those children in the flames. (Is it surprising that I could       not sleep after that? Sleep has fled from my eyes.)       A little farther on there was another ditch with gigantic flames where       the victims suffered "slow agony in the flames." Wiesel's column was       led by the Germans to within "three steps" of the ditch, then to "two       steps." "Two steps from the pit we were ordered to turn to the left       and made to go into a barracks."              An exceptional witness himself, Wiesel assures us of his having met       other exceptional witnesses. Regarding Babi Yar, a place in Ukraine       where the Germans executed Soviet citizens, among them Jews, Wiesel       wrote: [7]              Later, I learn from a witness that, for month after month, the ground       never stopped trembling; and that, from time to time, geysers of blood       spurted from it.              These words did not slip from their author in a moment of frenzy:       first, he wrote them, then some unspecified number of times (but at       least once) he had to reread them in the proofs; finally, his words       were translated into various languages, as is everything this author       writes.              That Wiesel personally survived, was, of course, the result of a       miracle. He says that: [8]              In Buchenwald they sent 10,000 persons to their deaths each day. I was       always in the last hundred near the gate. They stopped. Why?       In 1954 French scholar Germaine Tillion analyzed the "gratuitous lie"       with regard to the German concentration camps. She wrote: [9]       Those persons [who gratuitously lie] are, to tell the truth, much more       numerous than people generally suppose, and a subject like that of the       concentration camp world-well designed, alas, to stimulate       sado-masochistic imaginings-offered them an exceptional field of       action. We have known numerous mentally damaged persons, half       swindlers and half fools, who exploited an imaginary deportation; we       have known others of them-authentic deportees-whose sick minds strove       to go even beyond the monstrosities that they had seen or that people       said had happened to them. There have been publishers to print some of       their imaginings, and more or less official compilations to use them,       but publishers and compilers are absolutely inexcusable, since the       most elementary inquiry would have been enough to reveal the       imposture.              Tillion lacked the courage to give examples and names. But that is       usually the case. People agree that there are false gas chambers that       tourists and pilgrims are encouraged to visit, but they do not tell us       where. They agree that there are false "eyewitnesses," but in general       they name only Martin Gray, the well-known swindler, at whose request       Max Gallo, with full knowledge of what he was doing, fabricated the       bestseller For Those I Loved.              Jean-François Steiner is sometimes named as well. His bestselling       novel Treblinka (1966) was presented as a work of which the accuracy       of every detail was guaranteed by oral or written testimony. In       reality it was a fabrication attributable, at least in part, to the       novelist Gilles Perrault. [10] Marek Halter, for his part, published       his La Mémoire d'Abraham in 1983; as he often does on radio, he talked       there about his experiences in the Warsaw ghetto. However, if we are       to believe an article by Nicolas Beau that is quite favorable to       Halter, [11] little Marek, about three years old, and his mother left       Warsaw not in 1941 but in October of 1939, before the establishment of       the ghetto there by the Germans. Halter's book is supposed to have       been actually written by a ghost writer, Jean-Noël Gurgan.       Filip Müller is the author of Eyewitness Auschwitz: Three Years in the       Gas Chambers, [12] which won the 1980 prize of the International       League against Racism and Anti-Semitism (LICRA). This nauseous       best-seller is actually the work of a German ghost writer, Helmut       Freitag, who did not hesitate to engage in plagiarism. [13] The source       of the plagiarism is Auschwitz: A Doctor's Eyewitness Account, another       best-seller made up out of whole cloth and attributed to Miklos       Nyiszli. [14]              Thus a whole series of works presented as authentic documents turns       out to be merely compilations attributable to various ghost writers:       Max Gallo, Gilles Perrault, Jean-Noël Gurgan (?), and Helmut Freitag,       among others.              We would like to know what Germaine Tillion thinks about Elie Wiesel       today. With him the lie is certainly not gratuitous. Wiesel claims to       be full of love for humanity. However, he does not refrain from an       appeal to hatred. In his opinion: [15]              Every Jew, somewhere in his being, should set apart a zone of       hate-healthy, virile hate-for what the German personifies and for what       persists in the German. To do otherwise would be a betrayal of the       dead.              At the beginning of 1986, 83 deputies of the German Bundestag took the       initiative of proposing Wiesel for the Nobel Peace Prize. This would       be, they said, "a great encouragement to all who are active in the       process of reconciliation." [16] That is what might be called "going       from National Socialism to national masochism."                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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