XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: njnagel@roosters.net   
      
   On 09/30/2010 06:07 AM, Steve wrote:   
   > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:16:37 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 09/29/2010 09:08 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:03:19 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 09/29/2010 08:46 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:50:04 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 09/29/2010 06:56 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Actually, driving in the snow as my two kids have to do is a very good   
   >>>>>>> reason to have an SUV.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> How does that follow?  I'm not saying there aren't any valid reasons to   
   >>>>>> drive an SUV, but unless you are driving over unplowed roads with a foot   
   >>>>>> or more of snow on them, a regular old car handles much better.  Yes,   
   >>>>>> even in snow.  TIRES are the key.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> nate   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Total bullshit...   a 4wd is better in any amount of snow...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> They make AWD cars, if you really live out in the sticks.  High center   
   >>>> of gravity always loses, maneuverability wise.   
   >>>   
   >>> Bullshit...  cars with no ground clearance get hung up very easy...   
   >>   
   >> How much snow are you anticipating?  Seriously?   
   >   
   > I see...   so you really have never driven in serious snow....   
   >   
   > I live in Florida today, however I spent some of my life in rural   
   > Montana.  My daughter drives regularly in rural Michigan,   
      
   I used to do ABS development in the UP.  The typical winter beater for   
   the locals, at least as of 10 years ago, was an old American sedan,   
   *not* a truck or SUV.  People had those, but generally only used them to   
   tow snowmobile trailers or other such like.   
      
   > my son lives   
   > on a small dead end rural road outside Pittsburgh that is way down   
   > snow plow's pecking order,   
      
   sounds like my parents' house   
      
   > and my sister wouldn't be without her 4WD   
   > in the mountains of Colorado.  I have lots of relatives living in   
   > Montana.  4WD is pretty essential for all the above.   
      
   My parents still have an old IH scout, but they haven't registered it in   
   10 years because it rusted out, and they've found that the old GTI that   
   I passed onto them with winter tires is more than adequate.   
      
   Oh, they live on top of a hill with a 1/2 mile long gravel driveway, BTW.   
      
   >   
   >>>> Now if you have lots of stuff to HAUL, a truck-based vehicle may be the   
   >>>> right choice, but you still won't be able to drive as fast as safely as   
   >>>> you can in a good car.  There's a reason the original Audi Quattro   
   >>>> revolutionized the rally world back in the early '80s you know.  And I'd   
   >>>> still rather drive a RWD car with good winter tires than any AWD or 4WD   
   >>>> vehicle with typical, half-worn all-season tires.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> nate   
   >>>   
   >>> That's probably because you're not too bright.   
   >>   
   >> Or perhaps I have actually had the opportunity to compare the two.   
   >   
   > Since you don't know any better, I doubt that you've ever driven in   
   > serious snow, but I have...  many times...   
   >   
   >   
   >> I repeat: TIRES are the key.  Get good tires.   
   >   
   >     Tires won't do squat once you're sitting on top of the snow.   
   >   
      
   these guys seem to be doing all right   
      
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=korbBm3iWeo&p=22459621B63E92EA   
      
   nate   
      
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