XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: njnagel@roosters.net   
      
   On 09/30/2010 07:48 PM, Steve wrote:   
   > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:27:25 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 09/30/2010 05:47 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT), N8N   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On Sep 30, 6:07 am, Steve   wrote:   
   >>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:09:09 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 09/29/2010 09:21 PM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:16:37 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 09:08 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:03:19 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 08:46 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:50:04 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 06:56 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, driving in the snow as my two kids have to do is a   
   very good   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to have an SUV.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> How does that follow?  I'm not saying there aren't any valid   
   reasons to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> drive an SUV, but unless you are driving over unplowed roads with   
   a foot   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> or more of snow on them, a regular old car handles much better.    
   Yes,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> even in snow.  TIRES are the key.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> nate   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Total bullshit...   a 4wd is better in any amount of snow...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> They make AWD cars, if you really live out in the sticks.  High   
   center   
   >>>>>>>>>> of gravity always loses, maneuverability wise.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Bullshit...  cars with no ground clearance get hung up very easy...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> How much snow are you anticipating?  Seriously?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> He's obviously stuck in his ignorance.  Leave him there.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Now if you have lots of stuff to HAUL, a truck-based vehicle may be   
   the   
   >>>>>>>>>> right choice, but you still won't be able to drive as fast as   
   safely as   
   >>>>>>>>>> you can in a good car.  There's a reason the original Audi Quattro   
   >>>>>>>>>> revolutionized the rally world back in the early '80s you know.    
   And I'd   
   >>>>>>>>>> still rather drive a RWD car with good winter tires than any AWD or   
   4WD   
   >>>>>>>>>> vehicle with typical, half-worn all-season tires.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> nate   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> That's probably because you're not too bright.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Or perhaps I have actually had the opportunity to compare the two.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I repeat: TIRES are the key.  Get good tires.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Moreover, how you drive.  Driving down the freeway in winter these   
   >>>>>>> days is comical.  SUV's on their roofs in a ditch or the median   
   >>>>>>> because the drives think those SUVs will STOP.  Hey, they saw the   
   >>>>>>> commercial where the suv slams though a pile of snow.  "It must be   
   >>>>>>> safe, it's got fwd. I am invinceable"   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>> As for clearance, I pulled a fucking jeep out of a ditch with my 73   
   >>>>>>> Monte Carlo once.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> Ayup.  Vehicles have had four wheel brakes for the better part of a   
   >>>>>> century, no matter how many wheels are driven.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Did you just figure that out?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I was pointing out that Gary's observation that some people *haven't*   
   >>>> yet appears to be correct.   
   >>>   
   >>> Really?  Just who are these people who don't know that all cars have   
   >>> brakes on all their wheels?   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> The people who think that 4WD/AWD helps you stop or corner better.   
   >   
   > Must be your friends and relatives...  None of the 4WD drives I know,   
   > and I know many, would ever be that dumb   
   >   
   >>>>>> There's no magic in AWD,   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> 4WD is pretty magical when one has to go through 8 inches of fresh,   
   >>>>> wet snow.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Will it help you stop any faster or turn significantly sharper?  No.   
   >>>   
   >>> Here's a clue.  When people kick in their 4WD, they're generally   
   >>> looking for something other than faster stops and sharper turns...   
   >>   
   >> getting stuck farther into the ditch/snowdrift/whatever when they get in   
   >> over their head?   
   >>   
   >> nate   
   >   
   >   
   > Like I said, you've apparently never driven in any serious snow.   
   >   
   > Perhaps you should keep your ignorance to yourself until you have...   
      
   I don't believe that I am the one whose ignorance is showing.  Long time   
   readers of this group know what I used to do for a living.   
      
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