XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: njnagel@roosters.net   
      
   On 09/30/2010 07:58 PM, Steve wrote:   
   > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:56:28 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 09/30/2010 07:48 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:27:25 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 09/30/2010 05:47 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:29:07 -0700 (PDT), N8N   
   >>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On Sep 30, 6:07 am, Steve    wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:09:09 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 09:21 PM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:16:37 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 09:08 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:03:19 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 08:46 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:50:04 -0400, Nate Nagel   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/29/2010 06:56 PM, Steve wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, driving in the snow as my two kids have to do is a   
   very good   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason to have an SUV.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How does that follow?  I'm not saying there aren't any valid   
   reasons to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drive an SUV, but unless you are driving over unplowed roads   
   with a foot   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> or more of snow on them, a regular old car handles much   
   better.  Yes,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> even in snow.  TIRES are the key.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> nate   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Total bullshit...   a 4wd is better in any amount of snow...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They make AWD cars, if you really live out in the sticks.  High   
   center   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of gravity always loses, maneuverability wise.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit...  cars with no ground clearance get hung up very easy...   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> How much snow are you anticipating?  Seriously?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> He's obviously stuck in his ignorance.  Leave him there.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Now if you have lots of stuff to HAUL, a truck-based vehicle may   
   be the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> right choice, but you still won't be able to drive as fast as   
   safely as   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> you can in a good car.  There's a reason the original Audi Quattro   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> revolutionized the rally world back in the early '80s you know.    
   And I'd   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> still rather drive a RWD car with good winter tires than any AWD   
   or 4WD   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> vehicle with typical, half-worn all-season tires.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> nate   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That's probably because you're not too bright.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Or perhaps I have actually had the opportunity to compare the two.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> I repeat: TIRES are the key.  Get good tires.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Moreover, how you drive.  Driving down the freeway in winter these   
   >>>>>>>>> days is comical.  SUV's on their roofs in a ditch or the median   
   >>>>>>>>> because the drives think those SUVs will STOP.  Hey, they saw the   
   >>>>>>>>> commercial where the suv slams though a pile of snow.  "It must be   
   >>>>>>>>> safe, it's got fwd. I am invinceable"   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> As for clearance, I pulled a fucking jeep out of a ditch with my 73   
   >>>>>>>>> Monte Carlo once.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Ayup.  Vehicles have had four wheel brakes for the better part of a   
   >>>>>>>> century, no matter how many wheels are driven.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Did you just figure that out?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> I was pointing out that Gary's observation that some people *haven't*   
   >>>>>> yet appears to be correct.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Really?  Just who are these people who don't know that all cars have   
   >>>>> brakes on all their wheels?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The people who think that 4WD/AWD helps you stop or corner better.   
   >>>   
   >>> Must be your friends and relatives...  None of the 4WD drives I know,   
   >>> and I know many, would ever be that dumb   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>>> There's no magic in AWD,   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> 4WD is pretty magical when one has to go through 8 inches of fresh,   
   >>>>>>> wet snow.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Will it help you stop any faster or turn significantly sharper?  No.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Here's a clue.  When people kick in their 4WD, they're generally   
   >>>>> looking for something other than faster stops and sharper turns...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> getting stuck farther into the ditch/snowdrift/whatever when they get in   
   >>>> over their head?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> nate   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Like I said, you've apparently never driven in any serious snow.   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps you should keep your ignorance to yourself until you have...   
   >>   
   >> I don't believe that I am the one whose ignorance is showing.  Long time   
   >> readers of this group know what I used to do for a living.   
   >>   
   >> n   
   >   
   > ....  make up stories about yourself?   
      
   Oh, you must be gpstroll's brother.  My mistake.  I thought you were   
   serious.   
      
   nate   
      
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