XPost: alt.america, alt.politics.religion, alt.politics.usa.constitution   
   XPost: misc.education   
   From: strabo@flashlight.net   
      
   On 10/22/2010 8:42 AM, Bob LeChevalier wrote:   
   > Beam Me Up Scotty   
   > wrote:   
   >>>> A State may not force you to pray   
   >>>   
   >>> According to your theory (the First Amendment applies only to the   
   >>> federal government), why not?   
   >>   
   >> What would be the States legal power... to force you to pray?   
   >   
   > Or anything else.   
   >   
   > Without the Federal Constitution saying otherwise, the states can do   
   > whatever they want.   
   >   
   >> They have no basis to write the law.   
   >   
   > Of course they do.   
   >   
   >> It would infringe on my rights,   
   >   
   > You have no rights, unless they are stated in law.   
   >   
      
   "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created   
   equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain   
   unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the   
   pursuit of Happiness."   
      - Declaration of Independence   
      
   An American has inherent Rights, that is the exercise of any   
   action which does not infringe upon the Rights of others.   
   The federal and state constitutions are based upon the Declaration.   
      
   Statutory law cannot be trusted to reflect the reality of freedom   
   and liberty.   
      
   That's the baseline. Everything else is bullshit.   
      
      
      
   >   
   >> like my right to happiness, my right to NOT be held without a warrant.   
   >   
   > Without the Constitution, you have no such right.  And without the 14   
   > amendment, states need not support any Federal constitutional right.   
   >   
      
   As above, so below.   
      
      
   >   
   >> Neither slavery nor *involuntary servitude* , except as a punishment for   
   >> crime whereof the party *shall have been duly convicted* , shall exist   
   >> within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.   
   >>   
   >> Due process and the equal protection of the laws.   
   >   
   > Those two were NOT in place at the founding.  As a result states could   
   > and did violate the rights of people.   
   >   
   > After the 14th was passed, the specific rights protected are whatever   
   > the courts decide that they are.   
   >   
      
      
   >   
   > lojbab   
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