XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: alangbaker@telus.net   
      
   In article ,   
    dr_jeff  wrote:   
      
   > On 11/29/10 5:25 AM, Steve wrote:   
   > > On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 04:02:21 -0500, Dave Head   
   > > wrote:   
   > >   
   > >> On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:14:12 -0800, "5829 Dead, 972 since 1/20/09"   
   > >>   wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>> On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 01:07:09 GMT, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net   
   > >>> (Matthew Russotto) wrote:   
   > >>>   
   > >>>> In article,   
   > >>>> dr_jeff  wrote:   
   > >>>>> On 11/27/10 10:10 PM, Matthew Russotto wrote:   
   > >>>>>> In article,   
   > >>>>>> dr_jeff   wrote:   
   > >>>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> Anyway, I don't hope that nuclear energy takes off. It is not 100%   
   > >>>>>>> clean. Nothing is. Unless we can get fusion to work in a big way,   
   > >>>>>>> nuclear should provide a large part of our energy. Unfortunately, we   
   > >>>>>>> will have to build a new electrical grid backbone.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> Nothing will ever be 100% clean.  Not even if fusion were made   
   > >>>>>> practical.   
   > >>>>>> Not even if aneutronic fusion was made practical.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>> The best way to cut down our use of fossil fuels in the near-term is   
   > >>>>>>> conservation.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>> Staying in one place, shivering, in the dark.  No thanks.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>> Really? How about just shutting of the electricity to your TV and other   
   > >>>>> electronics at night, instead of shutting them "off"? When you shut a   
   > >>>>> TV   
   > >>>>> or other device, it is not truly off. Instead, it still uses   
   > >>>>> electricity. Cutting off the electricity fixes the problem.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>> Straining at gnats.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> It's supposedly about 3% of the total US electrical use.  That's quite   
   > >>> a large "gnat".   
   > >>   
   > >> 3% isn't worth any effort at all, unless you could duplicate it many   
   > >> times.  30% is something to do something for, but that won't be cheap.   
   > >   
   > > Besides, what he describes is nowhere near 3%..  more like 0.3%   
   >   
   > It's at least 3%. When a TV, VCR, etc., is "off," it's not really off.   
   > It is still using energy so that it can respond to remotes. That uses a   
   > considerable amount of energy. That's why I shut off with a power strip   
   > my TV, digital converter, cable modem and router. And, I put my laptop   
   > to sleep at night.   
   >   
   > And using a laptop instead of a desktop will save about 100 W.   
      
   Sorry, but let's see a cite for "at least 3%"...   
      
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