XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism
XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore
From: gburnore@databasix.com
On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:34:35 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>On 2/8/11 8:48 AM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 07:18:05 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/8/11 1:31 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of the
>>> Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
>>>> Let's face it: To the world, we are idiots who can't afford cars. Is
>>>> that the reality though? I try to classify those who use use public
>>>> transportation for different reasons:
>>>>
>>>> 1- They get a free pass,
>>>
>>> That's school kids and little kids in NYC. I believe seniors pay 1/2 fare.
>>>
>> Some businesses also give free rides to their employers.
>>
>>>> 2- They care about the environment (the drivers call them environuts),
>>>
>>> Really? If there were fewer people riding the subways and buses, then
>>> there would be more cars on the road. And doing something because you
>>> care about the environment doesn't make you a nut.
>>
>> True.
>>
>>>
>>>> 3- Political reasons, not to feed Big Oil,
>>>
>>> If fewer people took the subways and buses, then more people would be
>>> using gasoline, increasing the demand for oil, which could only increase
>>> the price of gas.
>>
>> See, no. Supply and demand does not drive oil prices as some claim.
>> If it did, when demand went down, the price would go down.
>
>When the demand for oil went down in 2008 and 2009, so did the price.
Nowhere close to how much it went up. Nice try.
>
>> It
>> doesn't. It only goes up. (Yeah, down two pennies after going up a
>> quarter is NOT going down). It's driven only by the greed of the oil
>> companies and the lack of govermnents to do something about it.
>
>What would government do about it? How much profit does a oil company
>make off a barrel of oil?
Highest profits of any company in the world: Oil Companies. That you
don't care is cool.
>
>>>
>>>> 4- Sitting in traffic jams is no fun,
>>>
>>> And if fewer people took the bus and subways, then there would be more
>>> traffic.
>>
>> Except, of course, for those who stop taking a bus or a subway to work
>> from home.
>
>Gee, I walk to work. But I still take subways to go to stores, doctors, etc.
Yeah, he was referring to commuting. But you're right. Your choice
to use public transportation is a good one.
>
>>>> 5- To socialize,
>>>
>>> Not really. There is not a lot of social talking going on between
>>> strangers in the bus or subway, at least not in NYC.
>>
>> Dunno about that. Taking the same 6 Train everyday, you start seeing
>> the same people every day and start talking to some. Many subway
>> folks are friends.
>>
>>> If friends took a
>>> car, they could socialize in the car. Or text while driving.
>>>
>> Heh.
>>
>>>> 6- And last but not least: They really can't afford the car.
>>>
>>> So? Having a car costs around $100 a week.
>>
>> YOUR car might. Others differ. It can cost $30,000 for a fucking
>> PARKING PLACE in NY.
>
>That's approximately what a car costs a year, exclusive of parking costs.
Figuring you'll do monthly payments for that $30K, you could add maybe
another 2K/year to your estimate.
>
>>> That can be put to other
>>> things, like retirement funds. Sounds like a good idea to me. Saving
>>> money is a good thing.
>>>
>>> You forgot reason #7:
>>>
>>> Taking the bus or subway is often more convenient than driving. For
>>> example, during rush hour, I can go from lower Manhattan to the Bronx or
>>> Brooklyn in 1/2 hour. You can't do that by car, even if you have lights
>>> and a siren.
>>>
>>>> And then I'd ask, what kind of people drive and sit in traffic jams
>>>> for hours? The sheep. It turns out the drivers are driven by
>>>> advertising and are not asking any questions. Next time we'll try to
>>>> classify drivers and ask why they are so dumb.
>>>
>>> Why should public transportation riders try to classify car drivers? How
>>> would they know? Why should they care?
>>>
>>
>> Really, you should expand more on #4. You can get a lot of work done
>> with a wireless card and a laptop.
>
>Not if you're a teacher, cop, firefighter or sanitation worker.
Above you added that you weren't just referring to commuting. So no
sense limiting "work" to something you get paid for. Maybe you do
volunteer stuff on the side. Maybe you just read a book. Can't do
either while driving, legally.
>
>> In fact, some employers will let
>> you work 1 hr on the way in, 6 hours in the office and 1 hour on the
>> way home.
>>
>>
>> Lastly, his initial statement is patently false. Other countries
>> think we're fools for NOT using more public transportation. Just as
>> they think we're all fucking fools for not demanding free health care.
>>
>> We are the only industrialized nation left that lets insurance
>> companies decide if we live or die.
>>
Note you dind't comment on that. :)
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