XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism
XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore
From: gburnore@databasix.com
On Thu, 10 Feb 2011 22:53:22 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>On 2/10/11 6:05 PM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 19:37:38 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/9/11 7:16 PM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 09 Feb 2011 18:03:05 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/9/11 9:25 AM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 19:53:26 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/8/11 6:48 PM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 17:34:35 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/11 8:48 AM, Gary L. Burnore wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Feb 2011 07:18:05 -0500, dr_jeff wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2/8/11 1:31 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, originator of
the
>>>>>>>>>>> Stop the Bullshit Campaign wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's face it: To the world, we are idiots who can't afford cars.
Is
>>>>>>>>>>>> that the reality though? I try to classify those who use use
public
>>>>>>>>>>>> transportation for different reasons:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1- They get a free pass,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's school kids and little kids in NYC. I believe seniors pay
1/2 fare.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some businesses also give free rides to their employers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2- They care about the environment (the drivers call them
environuts),
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Really? If there were fewer people riding the subways and buses,
then
>>>>>>>>>>> there would be more cars on the road. And doing something because
you
>>>>>>>>>>> care about the environment doesn't make you a nut.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> True.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3- Political reasons, not to feed Big Oil,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If fewer people took the subways and buses, then more people would
be
>>>>>>>>>>> using gasoline, increasing the demand for oil, which could only
increase
>>>>>>>>>>> the price of gas.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> See, no. Supply and demand does not drive oil prices as some claim.
>>>>>>>>>> If it did, when demand went down, the price would go down.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When the demand for oil went down in 2008 and 2009, so did the price.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nowhere close to how much it went up. Nice try.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't. It only goes up. (Yeah, down two pennies after going up a
>>>>>>>>>> quarter is NOT going down). It's driven only by the greed of the
oil
>>>>>>>>>> companies and the lack of govermnents to do something about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What would government do about it? How much profit does a oil company
>>>>>>>>> make off a barrel of oil?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Highest profits of any company in the world: Oil Companies. That you
>>>>>>>> don't care is cool.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ExxonMobil had a profit margin of about 15%. Is that out of line?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, in the case of companies selling a natural resource that they
>>>>>> really can't OWN, yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> How is that out of line? For their upstream operations, they have to
>>>>> obtain the rights to drill, drill the wells, operate the wells and
>>>>> tankers and take a lost of risk.
>>>>>
>>>>> For their downstream operations, they buy or build refineries, refine
>>>>> the oil, buy the ships, tanker trucks and run retail operations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please explain why 15% is out of line.
>>>>
>>>> We pay for all those things. That 15% is pure profit for them now.
>>>> It's why they're making record profits. Continue to raise the price
>>>> even though you don't need to.
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "pure profit"? They have to drill for oil, transport
>>> oil, refine oil, transport the gasoline and sell it.
>>
>> And they make record profits.
>
>So what? You are unable to explain why the "record profits" they make
>are out of line, especially compared with utilities. In addition, the
>oil companies are huge multinational companies.
>
>>> There is financial risk all along the way.
>>
>> No, neocon, there's not. We subsidize.
>
>Really?
Yeah. Really.
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