XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: russotto@grace.speakeasy.net   
      
   In article ,   
   Gary L. Burnore   wrote:   
   >On Sat, 12 Feb 2011 23:33:41 GMT, russotto@grace.speakeasy.net   
   >(Matthew Russotto) wrote:   
   >   
   >>In article ,   
   >>dr_jeff   wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>So? Having a car costs around $100 a week. That can be put to other   
   >>>things, like retirement funds. Sounds like a good idea to me. Saving   
   >>>money is a good thing.   
   >>   
   >>Having a car does not cost $100/week.   
   >   
   >(for you).   
      
   In general.   
      
   >>On the other hand, my public transit commute does cost $90/week.   
   >>   
   >>>You forgot reason #7:   
   >>>   
   >>>Taking the bus or subway is often more convenient than driving. For   
   >>>example, during rush hour, I can go from lower Manhattan to the Bronx or   
   >>>Brooklyn in 1/2 hour. You can't do that by car, even if you have lights   
   >>>and a siren.   
   >>   
   >>The large majority of the time (which includes almost all the time in   
   >>places in the US other than NYC), the car is more convenient.   
   >   
   >Bullshit of course.  Do you really think large and medium sized cities   
   >are exempt from gridlock?  Do you think sitting in traffic on a   
   >freeway is more convenient than the rail line running next to it?   
      
   In many cases, yes.  It's not that they are exempt from gridlock, it's   
   that the train is no improvement.  First you have to get to the   
   train.  Then you have to wait for the train.  Maybe you have to switch   
   trains.  Then you have to get from the train to where ever you are   
   going.  It's easy to see a benefit from transit if you pick two places   
   which happen to be not only on a transit line, but on the same transit   
   line.  But that's not the majority of cases, not even in Manhattan.  For   
   instance, how do you get from Penn Station to 26th and 3rd?   
      
   >> "Often"   
   >>is vastly overstating the case unless you restrict yourself to NYC.   
   >>(and Lower Manhattan to the Bronx in 1/2 hour is pushing it; you've   
   >>got to catch the right subway without any waiting)   
   >   
   >You're equating speed with convenience.  They are not the same.   
      
   You're the one who brought up the example of getting from Lower   
   Manhattan to the Bronx in 1/2 hour.   
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   The problem with socialism is there's always   
   someone with less ability and more need.   
      
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