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   XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: tetraethylleadREMOVETHIS@yahoo.com   
      
   On 2011-02-15, Harry K  wrote:   
      
   >> >> > The old argument you used to use was 'replacement for the station   
   >> >> > wagon so it could tow trailers' ignoring that around 90% of station   
   >> >> > wagons never had a hitch attached.  Again the sensible replacement for   
   >> >> > the SW was the minivan.   
   >>   
   >> >> Once again dishonest Harry creates an argument for me and then knocks it   
   >> >> down. I could bother to respond, but I am guessing Harry is becoming   
   >> >> like GPStroll and is just trolling. Also once again, Harry has to   
   >> >> dictate what the sensible choice is to everyone else.   
   >>   
   >> >> But for the others, the SUV did replace the large passenger car and   
   >> >> station wagon, as did the minivan. 90% of SUVs never pull a trailer   
   >> >> either. It's not that they do, it's that they can.     
   >>   
   >> > Any car can pull a trailer.   
      
   >> No. In the first half of the early 80s a neighbor bought a smaller dodge   
   >> product and towed a pop-up camper trailer with it. They bent the   
   >> uni-body with it. Their previous 70s vintage country-squire wagon towed   
   >> stuff just fine.   
      
   >> > Even my bike pulls a trailer.   
   >>   
   >> One designed for the bike.   
   >>   
   >> > Trailers are good, SUVs are not.   
   >>   
   >> That's your decision. Personally I dislike SUVs, I don't think they   
   >> should be daily transportation, however I don't see the need to control   
   >> other people's choices and know that SUV in great numbers parallels the   
   >> CAFE law. SUVs as they are called today were first marketed to ordinary   
   >> people after WW2 ended. These remained niche vehicles for the next 40   
   >> years when people started to buy them in the mid 1980s right after the   
   >> great die-off of large cars to make 1985 CAFE targets. At that time the   
   >> vehicles were still with hose-out vinyl interiors and the like... the   
   >> automakers noticed the trend and of course adapted the product to   
   >> maximize sales, by making them resemble the the large cars of old   
   >> inside.- Hide quoted text -   
      
   > If they did "bend" the unibody it was cuased by trying to tow   
   > something they shouldn't have.  You are supposed to size the trailer   
   > and load to the vehicle.   
      
   Yes Harry, that's what I wrote. You want to tow a trailer. You can buy a   
   uni-body minivan or car that is under rated or an SUV that is over rated   
   for the task. Which do you buy? The car that will break doing what you   
   intend for it or the one that can do more than you need/want? That's   
   why the downsized CAFE mobiles couldn't do the job.   
      
   > His point that _any_ vehicle can tow a trailer is correct.   
      
   If you take it to the point of absurdity. A pop up camper trailer isn't   
   much. However you will find various cars that the manufacturer does not   
   recommend using for towing. They could be modified, but that's something   
   else.   
      
   Notice suburu sedans are not recommended for towing at all:   
   http://auto.howstuffworks.com/auto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/   
   ehicle/towing-capacity-chart34.htmhttp://auto.howstuffworks.com/   
   uto-parts/towing/towing-capacity/vehicle/towing-capacity-chart34.htm   
      
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