XPost: alt.activism, alt.politics.obama, alt.politics.republican   
   XPost: alt.politics.conservative   
   From: tim.howard@suddenlink.net   
      
   On 3/16/2011 2:59 AM, ray wrote:   
   > In article<4d804191$0$28245$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,   
   >   Tim Howard  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 3/13/2011 5:19 PM, ray wrote:   
   >>> In article<4d7d5743$0$28236$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,   
   >>>    Tim Howard   wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> Of course many states are also passing or attempting to pass laws that   
   >>>> make it more difficult for groups that clearly would vote democratic   
   >>>> from voting (eliminating same day voter registration, mandating   
   >>>> state-issued ID cards) under the guise of "voter fraud"--a bugaboo that   
   >>>> no one has been able to show any significant evidence of.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Now, most of these measures would, in the not-to-distant past, have been   
   >>>> considered unconstitutional, but in the era of the Republican-dominated   
   >>>> Supreme Court, and an administration reluctant to appoint so- called   
   >>>> "activist judges" (meaning liberal), who knows what will happen when   
   >>>> these laws are challenged and inevitably go before the High Court   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There are many other examples, but this should be enough to worry all   
   >>>> Americans who believe in our concepts of a democratic republic,   
   >>>> representative democracy, or however we conceive our free nation.   
   >>>> People all over this country need to do what WI is starting to   
   >>>> do--initiate recall drives against this anti-democratic Republican   
   >>>> governors and their lackeys in state houses and senates.  We must not   
   >>>> wait four years for them to run again.  We may not be allowed to do   
   >>>> anything about it at that point.   
   >>>   
   >>> The recall process is designed to remove representatives who have been   
   >>> considered suspect in certain situations or otherwise did something   
   >>> clearly illegal.  It's not there to remove representatives who did their   
   >>> job legally and honestly, just not to the liking of some people.   
   >>>   
   >>> Democrats don't like Democracy--they never have.  They don't like   
   >>> majority rule either.  It's their way, or the highway.   
   >>>   
   >>> If this push is successful, then we live in tyranny of the unions and   
   >>> any other group that misuses the system.  And that would be all the more   
   >>> reason to get rid of all unions in this country.  And if successful, it   
   >>> would outrage many Americans who would support the extermination of   
   >>> unions.  They've done enough damage to this country already.   
   >>>   
   >> Unions are responsible for the 40hr week, minimum wage, health and   
   >> safety rules, anti-harassment laws, pensions, employee health insurance,   
   >> and many other great things.  If that "damages" the wallets of business   
   >> owners, too damn bad.   
   >   
   > Except that unions have damaged many more wallets of employees and   
   > taxpayers as well.  So are we to be eternally indebted to unions because   
   > they led the charge for work conditions that would have happened anyway   
   > under government?   
   >   
   You think all those things "happened anyway under government" by   
   themselves?  They happened because of pressure from the workers and   
   because pro-worker candidates got elected.  The 50s were are most   
   prosperous era, and is it a coincidence that unionism was at its   
   highest?  Government employees are not slaves, when they get paid they   
   have a right to do what they want with their money, including paying   
   union dues and supporting unions and pro-union candidates.   
      
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