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   From: xxxrayted@aol.com   
      
   In article <4d81763a$0$28239$bbae4d71@news.suddenlink.net>,   
    Tim Howard  wrote:   
      
   > >> Unions are responsible for the 40hr week, minimum wage, health and   
   > >> safety rules, anti-harassment laws, pensions, employee health insurance,   
   > >> and many other great things.  If that "damages" the wallets of business   
   > >> owners, too damn bad.   
   > >   
   > > Except that unions have damaged many more wallets of employees and   
   > > taxpayers as well.  So are we to be eternally indebted to unions because   
   > > they led the charge for work conditions that would have happened anyway   
   > > under government?   
   > >   
   > You think all those things "happened anyway under government" by   
   > themselves?  They happened because of pressure from the workers and   
   > because pro-worker candidates got elected.  The 50s were are most   
   > prosperous era, and is it a coincidence that unionism was at its   
   > highest?  Government employees are not slaves, when they get paid they   
   > have a right to do what they want with their money, including paying   
   > union dues and supporting unions and pro-union candidates.   
      
   What I'm saying is that if there were never any unions in this country,   
   the government would have eventually created laws and rights of workers.   
   Do you really think that if there no unions, we would be working 70   
   hours per week in dangerous work environments today???   
      
   Sure, unions had their place at one time.  But that time is up because   
   they became too large and powerful.   Looking at the entire picture, we   
   would have been better off without them.  Our cost of living would be   
   much lower today which means we would have many more manufacturing jobs   
   in the US.  We can't keep these unaffordable unions around because of   
   what they did 50 years ago.   
      
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