XPost: alt.autos.toyota, rec.autos.driving, alt.society.liberalism   
   XPost: alt.fan.michael-moore   
   From: crwlrjeff@yahoo.com   
      
   "Steve"  wrote in message   
   news:8oddr69ua6cmsbkhbgdr6193q168jimnj9@4ax.com...   
   > On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 05:10:15 -0700 (PDT), N8N    
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Apr 26, 7:51 am, Steve  wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 04:40:32 -0700 (PDT), "His Highness the   
   >>> TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>> >On Apr 25, 10:49 pm, Jessica Powell  wrote:   
   >>> >> On 4/25/2011 9:26 AM, His Highness the TibetanMonkey, the Beach   
   >>> >> Cruiser   
   >>>   
   >>> >> > But I rather have you fight Red Light Cameras than Speed Cameras.   
   >>> >> > They   
   >>> >> > are more susceptible to tricks and doesn't tame traffic that much.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> > If you have one you must have the other... or nothing at all!   
   >>>   
   >>> >> False dichotomy fallacy.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> > Better   
   >>> >> > yet, remove the signs that were meant to catch drivers not protect   
   >>> >> > the   
   >>> >> > people, as you claim to be the case.   
   >>>   
   >>> >> I made no such claim about signs.   
   >>>   
   >>> >Let me give you my thoughts:   
   >>>   
   >>> >Red Light Cameras are meaningless but profitable. Speed Cameras are   
   >>> >meaningful and profitable...   
   >>>   
   >>> Red Light Cameras are meaningful. Anything that inhibits red light   
   >>> running is meaningful.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >>Red light cameras don't inhibit RLRing.   
   >   
   > Of course they do.   
   >   
      
   Studies show they don't. Not only do they not inhibit red light running,   
   they actually cause rear end collisions where somebody thinks they might   
   make the light slams into the back of somebody that thinks they won't.   
      
   And Los Angeles has found that their camera program actually costs them   
   money to administer. The costs to operate the system exceed the fines   
   generated. Ironically, the fines have an administration cost built into   
   them, and the city still comes out short.   
      
   My tiny city of only 100,000 people has 4 or 5 red light cameras, and they   
   are considering more but have to spend even more money to upgrade the   
   existing cameras so they all run on the same system. I was in court one day   
   for  and one of the red light victims was making a right turn. In   
   her scanning the horizon for obsticles while the light was still green and   
   in her favor, she failed to observe that the light had changed. She slowed   
   as required, did everything except stop, and completed her turn before the   
   opposing cars had a green light. Her fine was $400, and system   
   administration cost was the majority of that.   
      
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